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Kevin BeaumontCybersecurity explained
J$@GossiTheDog Cue Theo de Raadt.
meriksson@GossiTheDog Pretty much sums it all up.
Thomas Guyot-Sionnest@meriksson @GossiTheDog Even cities, most of them have a plan... 😭
Johan Wärlander 🦀I mean, not "a" plan perhaps? Many, many plans. Made for different parts of the city, or for different aspects. Implemented partly, abandoned, replaced with new plans for extending on what the previous plans accomplished - or to tear the accomplishments down, and make something new, "better".
Some cities succeed better than others in becoming places that are welcoming & human-friendly, integrating plenty of green areas, spaces for walking, bicycles, etc.
snaums@GossiTheDog Well, if we had built them with a plan like american cities, we would all be dependent on the computer equivalent of cars to get anywhere...
Jeremy Kahn@snaums
> The computer equivalent of cars
portable, complicated internally, can get you where you want to go (most of the time) even when cognitively impaired, eye-wateringly expensive for the system as a whole, requires specialized knowledge and infrastructure to support
... so, JavaScript. Checks out
@trochee @GossiTheDog Yeah. No. You can use other languages and technologies for your projects, even UI projects, even Web projects (eg. dart, webasm). And JS is in parts a great interface language, but nothing more, and people start using it for way way more.
There is no utility for either of us in leaping into a fight for the honor of JavaScript
And yes of course there are alternatives to cars, even in America
purple: licenced to sticky plaster@snaums @GossiTheDog I think we call that C
Methylzero@snaums @GossiTheDog So AWS and Cloudflare?
Hugh Ferguson@snaums @GossiTheDog cars? nah, we have the bus...universal serial bus
Karen E. Lund 💙💛@snaums @GossiTheDog Where do you live that you think American cities have plans?
I live in New York, and except for the 1811 grid--which only includes part of one borough, Manhattan, and was instituted almost two centuries after Europeans arrived here--we got no plan.
Poul-Henning KampAnd the first woodpecker to come around would destroy civilization:
@bsdphk @GossiTheDog I thought of this immediately, but you shared it first.
Great minds think alike?
Simon ZerafaA fairly good explanation of technical debt also 🙂
Murali Suriar@GossiTheDog What book is this in, out of interest?
mahonyKill It with Fire, Marianne Bellotti
Ed Summers (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image A good quote to start Kill it With Fire:
gnate@GossiTheDog I've said the following about roads in New England, but applies somewhat to cities:
They're not built, they're accreted.
They're not built, they're accreted.
Mike Torr@GossiTheDog It also perfectly explains web coding. I miss the days of pure HTML edited with vi. Sigh...
Klaus Umbach@GossiTheDog name one city, that was built on a green field with a plan, that works.
jan Anja();@treibholz @GossiTheDog hundreds of soviet cities, actually
Dr. Quadragon ❌@cybertailor Also, engineered cities in China.
It's actually a pretty good idea, I would say.
sheislaurence@GossiTheDog I am not a connoisseur of US cities so can't comment on that specifically but just to note the quote doesn't quite work for EU people, where many cities were built with very much a masterplan in mind
Jyrgen N@GossiTheDog @KHoos 😭😳 sadly so true
R. L. Dane 
I think the comparison is very insulting to many (but not all) cities, tbh 😄
John Abbe (aka Slow)@RL_Dane @GossiTheDog With or without plans, to the degree an urban area "takes off" then the rebuilding-the-747-while-we're-in-the-air metaphor also becomes applicable.
Flying cities!
John Breen@GossiTheDog Some of us have a plan...but building on ruins, battling entropy, that's what SWEs do.
Then you have to deal with whatever crap Microsoft dumped on you.
Then you have to deal with whatever crap Microsoft dumped on you.
@GossiTheDog "We build our political systems the way we build our cities: over time, without a plan, on top of ruins"
See how this works ?
Software is politics, but the elections are unannounced, and the good news is that there is food and beverage allowed in that voting line.
See how this works ?
Software is politics, but the elections are unannounced, and the good news is that there is food and beverage allowed in that voting line.
AlienKnight@GossiTheDog Sounds about right
MrMozz@GossiTheDog I like this a lot. Reminds me of the saying that "most safety regulations are written in blood"
veetee@GossiTheDog mgmt: we need you to build a thing right now!
me: okay, but not until we've got a decent plan.
mgmt: we'll compromise. you have to start building now, but you're on the hook for producing the plan in parallel. also, we reserve the right to change requirements whenever we like. also, we'd like you to follow strict review requirements AND quality standards.
me: ...
mgmt: so uh... when's your first PR and/or design review? you're so behind schedule!
me: okay, but not until we've got a decent plan.
mgmt: we'll compromise. you have to start building now, but you're on the hook for producing the plan in parallel. also, we reserve the right to change requirements whenever we like. also, we'd like you to follow strict review requirements AND quality standards.
me: ...
mgmt: so uh... when's your first PR and/or design review? you're so behind schedule!
Lesley Carhart 
@GossiTheDog put this on my tomb
Arcadiagt5@GossiTheDog @stilgherrian This bit of naval slang (seen at Portsmouth in 2017) seems relevant…
Stilgherrian@arcadiagt5 @GossiTheDog I mean, true?
Steven@GossiTheDog So true, in which case what would be the cybersecurity equivalent of Milton Keynes?
(A new planned UK city built in the 1960s - although not on completely greenfield site)
(A new planned UK city built in the 1960s - although not on completely greenfield site)
Lucy (private alt) Ⓐ@GossiTheDog this should be the official slogan for x86
these machines will destroy US.@GossiTheDog Are we sure this isn't the Microsoft mission statement?
Charlie Stross@GossiTheDog @dandels Could equally well be the Andrew Tannenbaum quote: "If civil engineers build buildings the way software engineers build software, the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization."
Daniël Franke 
The Penguin of Evil
VessOnSecurity@GossiTheDog If we built our cities the way we build our computer systems, the first woodpecker would destroy the civilization.
gentle colossusUPDATE: we made a plan
RESULT: ruins are now radioactive
RESULT: ruins are now radioactive
T. J. Bombadil@GossiTheDog We built this software on Rock and Roll!!!
LR@GossiTheDog "hey this is not a ruin! i still live in this house!"
Fred@GossiTheDog "Close to the machine" is a very interesting read.
DianeI love that quote. It is so painfully true about the software development process
xyhhx 🔻@GossiTheDog fuck, this might replace my banner
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