Adam Ambrose
Miguel de Icaza ᯅ🍉The EU should demand that American Big Tech sell their assets to European companies. They can’t be trusted to not manipulate the data for propaganda reasons.
Not doing so is a national security risk.
Am I doing this right?
Miha Markič@Migueldeicaza I'm sure Meloni is attending the orange inauguration precisely because of this /s
London Eastfield 🇵🇸@Migueldeicaza Hm... yes. You are.
Raul Portales@Migueldeicaza 👌 actually, some of that started already
The Penguin of Evil@Migueldeicaza Although the UK seems to be taking a rather more measured view anyway. From the Darren Jones (Chief sec. to the treasury)
" for consumers who want to post videos of their cats or dancing, that doesn’t seem like a national security threat to me"
(Tiktok is banned on government phones etc like a lot of apps)
Simon Brooke@Migueldeicaza I'd prefer they brought them into public ownership. Internet search should certainly, in the modern age, be public utility, not an advertising funded surveillance system.
FediThing 
I know you're probably just making a point, but we may see a world where this happens. If social media platforms are capable of manipulating close elections, they may come to be seen as issues of national security.
@FediThing they already did, that’s why Facebook is facing several lawsuits.
Thomas P. Moonis@Migueldeicaza If a legitimate national security risk is identified, this may be a reasonable remedy.
Sibshops@Migueldeicaza The law didn't say to American companies. It said any company outside of China, Russia, Iran, or North Korea.
maradoAccording to CNBC:
"I would like the United States to have a 50% ownership position in a joint venture. By doing this, we save TikTok, keep it in good hands and allow it to say up," he wrote on Truth Social.
What law are you referring to?
@marado @Migueldeicaza
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521
Tiktok just doesn't have to be controlled by a foreign adversary. They aren't required to sell to or split up into a US company. They could become a Mexican company, for example.
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AskPippa🇨🇦@Migueldeicaza I have trouble getting my head around the idea that Country A can force a company in Country B to be put on the market for sale (even just part of the company) -- outside of the company's home country. TikTok (in whole or part) isn't on the market yet, but it looks like it's heading that way.
Jon@Migueldeicaza they should sell them to.... Mexico!
Auntie Mame@Migueldeicaza American companies - not just big tech - have been collecting our data for decades. Shopper loyalty cards, memberships, cable subscriptions, credit reports… it’s a racist policy that bans TikTok because America always needs an an enemy, so it’s inventing one in China because of COVID. Why pick fight with one of your biggest trading partners?? JFC. US’ racist policies are its own worst enemy.
Bret Mogilefsky@Migueldeicaza I agree with your point but the accurate analogy would be if US Big Tech companies were actually operating as extensions of the US government, which they're not...yet.
PhrackerOne thing I've always wondered is if TikTok is such a national security risk, then why do the US military and other state-run organizations use it for propaganda?
@Phracker2Art they also had a carve out for politicians to keep using it. It was ridiculous.
AlgoCompSynth by znmeb 🇺🇦@Migueldeicaza Sounds good to me. For openers, a lot of the innovation in electronic music is coming from the EU. It's called "Eurorack" for a reason!
Fissile@Migueldeicaza But... but... big daddy USA is our friend and only wants what's best for us, no? 🥺
Jolie Jodie@Migueldeicaza what about promoting mastodon to be the EU social media
Oliver D. Reithmaier@Migueldeicaza yes you are. There never was any reason to assume American tech companies had Europe's laws and interests on their agenda. Nor was there any evidence of it happening.
Geert Uytterhoeven@Migueldeicaza Everything should be managed by the United Nations (or the United Federation of Planets)?
S.R. Weaver@Migueldeicaza Well I mean you say that, but at this point with the way US democracy is headed.
I've heard things about Europe too, but it seems like anything would be better than Zuckerberg.
grouchox@Migueldeicaza nah, the Supreme Court made it clear the valid reason is data privacy.
Which the EU has acted on a while back. #gdpr
But, yes, Meta et al should be banned in their current form.
Pamela Williams@Migueldeicaza maybe so but they will not sell their company and I don't blame them
Gabe Kangas@Migueldeicaza Why stop at Big Tech? Can we just sell the entire country to the EU?
Kevin Russell
mav 
@Migueldeicaza on one hand, funny, but honestly, this is *not* entirely bad policy at this point.
*sigh*
I think I might implement a signature here, since I seem to be saying it all the time anyway.
This timeline sucks,
-mav
grepe@Migueldeicaza almost right. now we just need to elect a strong nationalistic right-wing figure as our leader to set things straight in response.
Ailantd Sikowsky🔻@Migueldeicaza Absolutely.
xs4me2We cannot allow a state within the state…
@Migueldeicaza I like it!
Brokar@Migueldeicaza Where's the threat to ban the companies? You only walked half the way.
enoch_exe_inc@Migueldeicaza Not entirely. I don’t trust the EU with my data, especially since the legislation they’ve passed is temporary and their ruling classes can always roll it back if times get tough. The best course of action is for America to nationalise all Big Tech companies, and by force if need be.
Beggar Midas@Migueldeicaza No. No you are not. Unless this was all just a disingenuous mug to squat on the attention bandwidth pointlessly. If so, then yes. I'd say you are doing THAT correctly.
InsertUser@Migueldeicaza
They've essentially done the opposite in the UK. Thanks to the #OnlineSafetyAct to operate there you soon have to follow rules so convoluted and backed with such big fines that you basically have to be an American megacorp to be sure you can keep your site running.
They've essentially done the opposite in the UK. Thanks to the #OnlineSafetyAct to operate there you soon have to follow rules so convoluted and backed with such big fines that you basically have to be an American megacorp to be sure you can keep your site running.
Oberst Enzian@Migueldeicaza I mean, you’re not wrong.
Trey Tarrant@Migueldeicaza I mean, kinda
petros@Migueldeicaza Kind of. But you just create social networks run by European billionaires.
Better ban it.
Honestly, Facebook and X shouldn't be available outside of the US.
We have anti monopoly laws and agencies. The consolidation of the social media in a few hands is a blatant violation of our norms.
meek cynics@Migueldeicaza, don't most of them already have subsidiaries in e.g. Ireland and Luxembourg for tax reasons?
Sebastian Dröge 🍵@Migueldeicaza No, any kind of interference there is anti-free-speech and a reason to leave NATO, apparently. It's only pro-free-speech if the US do it.
@slomo that guy is an absolute idiot. I think that at the root of his message is the exact truth of what happened with TikTok: this is an asset and power grab by the billionaire class in America. They hijacked the US government to do their bidding