2/ @bronakins beat me to it:
@[email protected] Yeah—Announcing the raid ahead of time is an invite to organized resistance, which can lead to violence & provide trump his excuse to declare martial law. If it doesn’t doesn’t, there will be a new raid on another city next week. Think of trump’s 2917 Muslim ban & the protests it triggered; only this time the protests are quelled by US troops under the direction of Hegseth. Scary #trump #immigration #chicago #raid @[email protected]
@misterspinalzo @jenzi @GottaLaff ICE will find attempting to strike a target when and where they are expected and people had time to set up on them to be lots of "fun."
That's why they never showed up in 2019 when Trump kept self-doxxing his "family operation." DC was a named target with named weekends. Every fucking time we were ready and waiting, not once did they show up.
Finally Van Spronson's sacrifice and counterattack killed their will to fight, ending the "family operation" in defeat for Trump.
Depending on how smart Trump's advisers are we must consider the outside risk that ICE is bait and the real targets are ourselves. Such an operation would however require moving a far larger force that a couple hundred ICE thugs into Chicago and that should be detectable with some observation.
@GottaLaff Yup, The bigger part of the game is using the violence to declare a state of emergency and then put as much of the other plans in place under that cover.
But you know this.
Good luck, and thanks for putting Stevie Wonder in my head!
Or we get our own version of the troubles.
Protests in the street are totally ignored by autocrats - often only bringing blowback.
Protestors - and all decent people - need to be looking at a #GeneralStrike
Maybe a few more failed protests will cause people to reconsider tactics.
One of the 'advantages' of forcing people to live hand-to-mouth is that a general strike is difficult to justify for many, even most. Just one more way in which autocracy and wealth disparity go hand in glove. I'm not saying it'd be a bad idea, but it would have to be arranged such that people get the support they need during that time.
Very true, but some of the most successful strikes have been by people barely above starving who know there *must* be a change
Did you mean the 50% that have no interest in politics? Those are the ones who don't vote and just let this all happen
And no reason to think it would be the same.
But yes, an even bigger problem is the propaganda/normalization machine that led 76M to believe electing a felon was a remotely sensible act.
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All the more reason to stop using them. And stopping doesn't have to be cold turkey, just find ways to not use one thing. Then another. Then another ...
Anyway, fun anecdote. I went to a shopping mall one time, quiet time, not many people there. I went into a store where the sales clerk was behind the counter reading. I browsed, 5 minures later they looked up and saw me, started, apologized profusely and asked if I needed anything.
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The American Civil War had clearly drawn battle lines, so if you weren't in the line of fire then your life was as normal as supporting a war could be.
This would be a war against cities. So, yes, darker than the Civil War
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They were hoping that for J6, 2021.
The word that spread to those of us who disapproved Trump was, "stay away, avoid DC."
The same should apply now. Stay away. This is no time to stage a protest.
that will work until republicans cut social security and medicaid and dismantle ACA
the red states voted for donny and they are about to be thrown under the bus
@Danetteb @samiamsam @GottaLaff yes, you know how that area in Oregon decided they would arrest homeless people for being homeless if there are shelter beds available? There was a news segment about the available shelter beds, they went into this shelter to show rose and rose of empty beds, it was a church affiliated shelter and in order to get shelter there you have to accept Jesus as your savior and you have to attend church services every day.
So basically it’s illegal for people not to convert if those are the only shelter beds available and I don’t understand how that’s not a first amendment violation
But I love the people, they were choosing to be arrested rather than go to the Jesus shelter
@Danetteb @maggiejk @GottaLaff
the whole premise of state run social services is that there are no religions strings attached
i recall stories in the 1980s about this
stories about how churches were forcing parents to make their children attend church education and church services in order to get help
it was a scandal because most people thought that churches would help anyone with no strings because bible and jesus
the fundies /evangelicals had other plans - capture children in religion
@GottaLaff
The only protest that could impact Trump would be deafening silence.
Make the people responsible for him pay. Target Republicans in Congress - make them own this at home. They wanted it, they got it. Also, hurt his sponsors - Musk, Zuck, Bezos, etc. Make them pay for his actions.
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