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Jesse SkinnerBoost this toot if you're planning on sticking around Mastodon & the Fediverse whether or not it's more popular than Bluesky.
Shinydan@JesseSkinner they serve different functions for me. besides, if the people saying it's going to turn into X 2.0 aren't wearing tinfoil hats, it'll be nice to have somewhere to rely on.
jaxroamUltimately I don't want my content and interactions to be on Bluesky or Mastodon, I want it to be my content and interactions.
Both places, particularly Mastodon, are getting there, but aren't there yet.
Dave Rainsford
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈@JesseSkinner I'll be with the nerdy kids in the library, thanks. 
Toni Aittoniemi@JesseSkinner Bridging to bluesky should be enough. I still enjoy a non-algorithm view more than chasing a computer algorithm to boost things for me!
enmodo ⚛️ 🧬 🇺🇦 🍉@gimulnautti
And eventually they will introduce advertising and everyone there will scream "the sky is falling in!"
@JesseSkinner
And eventually they will introduce advertising and everyone there will scream "the sky is falling in!"
@JesseSkinner
Erik Jonker@JesseSkinner ..I think they can co-exist, at least for me
Brian@JesseSkinner Federated future!
AJ@JesseSkinner Open source future for all, no VC funding! ✊
Dreaming of dad jazz.@JesseSkinner I'll be on both..
@pineywoozle ‘s #3WordNote@michaelcoyote @JesseSkinner I think keeping Mastodon as a main account and also building a community on BS that could be ported here if the enshitification of BS hits, might not be an awful idea. it might also be a way to educate people about the fediverse. #Mastodon #BlueSky
JonChevreau 🇨🇦@Pineywoozle @michaelcoyote @JesseSkinner Good strategy. I see Mastodon as Quality, BS will like X be about Quantity. Mastodon is my first port of call.
Strypey@Pineywoozle
> keeping Mastodon as a main account and also building a community on BS that could be ported here if the enshitification of BS hits
*When* the enshittification of BS hits;
https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/?ref=ActivityPub
shield_asset@strypey @Pineywoozle @michaelcoyote @JesseSkinner Does the fact that BlueSky only operates with around 20 employees not alarm anyone?
@shield_asset Everything about it bothers me. It feels like another way to get us to gather in groups and then implode us when we need cohesion for the next election. @strypey @michaelcoyote @JesseSkinner
@shield_asset @strypey @Pineywoozle @JesseSkinner
No. I don't see why the size of the company would bother me. They seem to be doing very well with the people they have. The technical ability of their team is very good without a doubt.
I do think that their implementation of federation is largely incomplete dispite what the boosters say. Noone else runs relay nodes but them and they're not cheap to run.
@shield_asset @strypey @Pineywoozle @JesseSkinner
Mostly though they are part of the VC system and eventually the VCs will want their money.
@shield_asset @strypey @Pineywoozle @JesseSkinner
I do think that they're beating everyone's ass on moderation and safety as well as with on-boarding. I hope we can implement their best ideas here.
@michaelcoyote @strypey @Pineywoozle @JesseSkinner That there's been such a smooth onboarding for hordes of Twitter refugees has been testament to good scalable moderation. Very true.
The cynic in me says "We'll see how long that lasts."
@shield_asset @strypey @Pineywoozle @JesseSkinner
The good on-boarding will probably last a long time. Other things will fall away.
marymessall@michaelcoyote @JesseSkinner I'll be on here with a bridged account, following people on there with bridged accounts...
Yeah, I'm probably not going to do any of that. my bluski account can stay over there and my fedi account can stay here.
Peejmaybe@JesseSkinner I'm counting on it staying like it is. It's the perfect social media platform for antisocial people :)
Kadsepfösch@JesseSkinner I'll not boost because that has FB-share-meme energy. 😬
I'll stay in the Fediverse. But I also have my account bridged th BS and interact with my friends there.
@Glatorius agreed! But I just wanted to spread some shared love for this platform at a time when the other is getting a lot of hype and attention.
BronMason👋🏽👋🏽 I’m staying on Mastodon! I have everything I want from my social media here. No reason to leave.
Clio Dunn@JesseSkinner I'm staying. I like both. Bluesky is an easy transition for friends. I still has flamers, but definitely an improvement over X.
Ozzy@JesseSkinner I plan on sticking around Fediverse 
Sensible Crone@JesseSkinner Me, I am only here. Gave up owned social media two years ago. Very happy here.
JdeBPMy social media is owned, but in the way that I prefer it, by a bunch of disconnected comparatively ordinary people in, variously, England, Scotland, Wales, Germany, and Florida.
I remember when once it was a bloke in Luton.
Emily@JesseSkinner getting different things from the two platforms!
JHKoivula@JesseSkinner @magdalenahai “Boo, engagement bait.”
Sike! No such thing here! No algorithm to feed, just people sharing ideas, whoo!
@JHKoivula yep! I'm just spreading the love, not looking for follows or anything. This isn't about me, it's about our love for the fediverse!
@magdalenahai
@magdalenahai
Soozcat@JesseSkinner Neither a thing's popularity nor its obscurity has stopped me from enjoying it. I got over that phase in my teens.
Geert Aarts@JesseSkinner Mastodon is great, but to make it even better for professional use it might help if something like the "top-links" in the "catch-up" (Beta) window of #phanpy (https://phanpy.social/ ) is the home page by default for all users. These top-links are sorted by the number of times boosted by the ones *you follow*. This could be useful for #science, to highlight most important developments (e.g. publications) in your network. Now you easily miss them, causing some colleagues to leave.
MacCruiskeen@geertaarts @JesseSkinner Why should it be good for professional use? Not being good for professional use makes it more good for actually *social* use.
@maccruiskeen @JesseSkinner OK, also social. Let's say you follow 200 others, and you stick to them, because you like their messages. Let's say 100 of them post/boost 5 messages per day. That is 500 messages in your timeline/day. A more silent friend or colleague posts one message per month, which might be quite important for both the sender and receiver. It is quickly snowed under.
Many of my colleagues joined about a year ago, but most left to LinkedIn and Bluesky now. I think because of this
Many of my colleagues joined about a year ago, but most left to LinkedIn and Bluesky now. I think because of this
@geertaarts @maccruiskeen you can turn on notifications on a per-account basis - so those friends whose posts you don't want to miss, click their profile and click the bell icon and their posts will show up in your notifications.
el Celio 🇪🇺 🇺🇦@geertaarts @maccruiskeen @JesseSkinner
I support
In #Mastodon there's a phobia about algorithms, because of how they're used in other platforms: to collect data to promote ads and also to modify the experience of others
But a simple algorithm that counts how many times posts were boosted by the people you follow and puts them in a "most popular" feed, it doesn't influence others and uses only data that you already have in your home feed
It just save time to find the more interesting posts
@elCelio @geertaarts @maccruiskeen The key here, too, is that these algorithms are absolutely possible but they live in the client. So users can customize or choose the algorithm that they want, not have one forced down their throats...
@JesseSkinner @geertaarts @maccruiskeen
of course. but my instance is already a client to the fediverse.
and my instance has a "live feed" feature, where posts are shown in chronological order, and an "explore" feature where there is an algorithm that shows "newer posts with more boosts and favourites are ranked higher"
I already have as my "Home" a feature analogous to the "live feed".
I think it would be nice to have a feature analogous to the "explore" (but with a known algorithm).
Krzysztof Sakrejda@geertaarts
> Mastodon is great, but to make it even better for professional use
Using Mastodon is only one way to participate in the fediverse. It wasn't even the first. There have always been a range of apps you can use, many of which have features Mastodon lacks;
https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/
Existing professional tools can be modified to communicate over ActivityPub too, see;
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/alphaxiv-and-fediverse/4750
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The Wolf of South End@geertaarts @JesseSkinner Can’t this be solved by creating “Lists”?
@TheWolfOfSouthEnd @JesseSkinner I think not, but might be wrong. Let's say a colleague posts an occasional message related to work (I might be interested in), and another 10 on its favourite music taste (I might not be interested in). Do you think a list could solve this?
Steve Yelvington@JesseSkinner I figure Bluesky has a couple of good years ahead of it before the inevitable enshittification takes hold, and Mastodon will still be there, insulated by decentralized design from corporate shenanigans and crypto-bro wingnuttiness.
Antifamiek@steve @JesseSkinner <3 enshittification...
Bryan H. Rombough@JesseSkinner I originally stayed away from BS because Dorsey created it in a fit of pique after twitter banned Trump for spreading hate speech.
Then after Dorsey left, BS was still being run by twitter people.
And now there's this: https://journa.host/@scottmstedman/113484829252227669
Scott Stedman (@[email protected])
Bluesky just raised millions from Brock Pierce’s blockchain company, meaning his company is a major shareholder. I will pass. https://bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2024-series-a
Mike Beasley@bhrarchinerd Bluesky isn't being run by Twitter people. The only relationship Jay Graber had to Twitter was that Twitter gave her a bunch of money to establish bsky and she demanded to be independent of Twitter Inc.
The investment is actually good news. Graber and her team still own and fully control the company, and the investors got very little power from their investment. They have one board seat that does not give them control of anything. The investors are not "major shareholders.”
Mastodon Migration@mastodonmigration @bhrarchinerd thanks for this very useful input
Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC@JesseSkinner I don't care whether it's popular, I care whether I can find my kind of freaks there. I never spent much time on Twitter (well, at least not for somebody who's chronically online), but I spent a lot of time on Tumblr before all the cool people left. Right now, I'm on both Mastodon and Bsky, but I spend much more time on the fediverse because of how much better it feels in comparison.
Sluether 
@JesseSkinner I'm not here to be popular. Besides, I've made friends here. 🧡
joene 🏴@JesseSkinner #Bluesky is a commercial vehicle of venture capitalists. ActivityPub is the only way forward, so I will stay on the fediverse.
Phil@JesseSkinner Mastodon for nerdy stuff, Bluesky more as a Twitter/X replacement. I’m rooting for Bluesky and hope it succeeds beyond our expectations
Solarbird 
@JesseSkinner One of the things I want to bring up is Bridgy App.
One of the plans I’m trying to make with getting people on BlueSky to turn on the Bridgy App has to do with the sudden-but-inevitable-betrayal moment.
One of the reasons people didn’t want to leave X was because they didn’t know people other places.
If they they give the gateway permissions, they will start knowing people other places before things go oh so very wrong.
They’ll already know where some of their friends are.
So that’s where they’ll look to go first.
I wrote a bunch of other stuff about all this here, at my fully-Federated and self-hosted blog.
https://solarbird.net/blog/2024/11/18/something-about-barn-doors-and-escaped-horses-but-also/
The "all or nothing" world of social media is over. We can start moving on from it now.
@moira There will be no sudden-but-inevitable betrayal with Bluesky. There can't be. The tech is so open that the network could move on without the Bluesky PBC. Even if the company went rogue or disappeared overnight, the network would still be possible to run without them.
That's the difference between atproto and ActivityPub. You lose everything if your instances goes belly-up overnight. You lose nothing on atproto.