A vote for a third party this year is a vote for fascism.

A vote to punish Harris even though you know Trump is vastly worse is a vote for fascism.

Not voting is a vote for fascism.

This is the starkest choice in decades: democracy or fascism.

It truly is that simple.

@dangillmor wait... so THIS is the most important election ever? Man! I got lied to last election, and the one before that, and a few before that when I was told THOSE were the most important elections ever.

Something something about boys crying wolf to many times.

I'm voting for Cornell West. If you don't want tre45on to win, everyone should join me.

@Jon_Kramer so completely oblivious to the fact voting for a third party is as good as not voting at all, and people not voting is how democracy dies.

the reason project 2025 is called that is because it's only now that the American alt-right has come up with a coherent plan to quickly turn the United States into the United Toilet, and if you're into having your head shoved into a toilet by a Hitler admirer i think you should keep it to yourself.

@soop so, you support the genocide in Gaza? You would vote for someone pledged to fund that?

And you question my tastes in the bedroom??

@Jon_Kramer You have a choice between an imperfect candidate and an outrightly fascist candidate. The right decision couldn't be more obvious.

@soop agreed.

It is obvious I should not support fucking genocide.

@Jon_Kramer As much as it sucks, voting for a third party is not a realistic option in the current US electoral system.
@soop watch me do it in just over a week. It is very much an option.

@soop @Jon_Kramer

Unless, of course, like most Americans, you live in a "safe state."

american leftists are all about organising for collective action until comes the time to vote.

then it's a difficult personal choice.

because the candidate that is a bajillion times better than the fascist candidate isn't my platonic ideal of perfect.

individuals aren't responsible for the ravages of capitalism when they buy a thing.

but everyone who votes for the imperfect candidate is directly responsible for the bad things they do.

but everyone who votes for the perfect candidate and indirectly causes the fascist to win is not responsible for the outcome.

i'm not a hypocrite. i'm a principled leftist.

organising for electoral reform, or organising to influence the imperfect candidate to be better, that's too liberal and unsexy.

revolution or death.

(but i refuse to organise any change outside my personal actions and my toots on an irrelevant social media, so it's death.)

@Jon_Kramer @soop duuur I’m a privelidged, entitled little shit who just wants to stir shit up.
Of course I’m voting for the PO of orange shit who wants to deport every Muslim in America to serve up to my buddy BiBi.
Yer over here being a dipshit.
You go on to hell if you want to.

@soop @Jon_Kramer

Unless, of course, like most Americans, you live in a "safe state."

@Jon_Kramer @dangillmor So here's the thing, Jon.
When things are as on the edge as they've been in your lifetime, which in many ways they are, and at risk of getting even worse, which they absolutely are, then yes, election after election is going to be the most important election in your lifetime, because that's how time works.
I see that you're following me. Well, you _were_ following me, but not anymore, because I've blocked you, because I prefer not to hang around with idiots.

@Jon_Kramer @dangillmor
EVERY election is the most important election ever. Until the next election.

Freedom and democracy are not granted, they come from the struggle and suffering of those who gained them before and they must be preserved and protected. Every day, every election. Even if they are not perfect. Because you can't improve them if you loose them.

@Jon_Kramer @dangillmor

Indistinguishable from a Russian troll.

@Jon_Kramer @dangillmor Yes, 8 days before the election, 50 million people are going to change their minds and agree with you. That could happen! And your principled stand won't mean shit in Trump's concentration camps.
@Jon_Kramer @dangillmor I got told that 2022 was the hottest year on record. Then I got told that 2023 was the hottest year on record. You're crying wolf, climate scientists!

@mathew @dangillmor Which of those is the hottest year of our lifetimes? Did anyone tell you that 2022 was going to be the hottest year of your life?

Climate scientists presented facts.

@Jon_Kramer @dangillmor Nobody's telling you that there won't ever be a more important election than this one.

@mathew @dangillmor Are you joking? I have been told that thousands of times.

Google this: most important election of our lives

@dangillmor

Vote as if you life and future depends on it, because it does…

#votebluetosavedemocracy #uspol #uspolitics

@dangillmor But can US males actually accept a woman as president? Non white Obama, twice, was a major jolt for not so progressive areas of the States. So a woman?! 😱

@dangillmor
Just becuase Trump is a fascist doesn't mean the alternative choice is democracy.

What kind of democracy only gives you the choice between two candidates that don't have any of your interests in mind? It's not a democracy if you can't vote for the candidate you actually want.

Harriss may be less horrible than Trump but you don't have to spread the lie that voting for her is somehow democracy.

@shamogan @dangillmor Well, if only you could convert your bi-partisan, polarised system based on incoherrent screaming and yelling, into something like multi-party, plural, proportional system, like eg. in most of current EU... 🤔
@shamogan @dangillmor 1) You know, you don't actually get to redefine words to mean something different from what they actually mean just because it suits your specious argument to do so.
1) Claiming that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party "don't have any of our interests in mind" is patently false and absurd. Fighting climate change and protecting abortion rights aren't things you're interested in?
@jik @dangillmor I didn't try to redefine anything. I legitimately have no idea what you're referring to with that

@jik @dangillmor Harris isn't going to do shit to "fight climate change", you're absolutely deluding yourself if you think she is.

Also again I didn't say don't vote for her even specifically said she was the better choice. I'm just saying that having to vote for the less bad candidate is not democracy

@dangillmor As I see from the replies here, a lot of people would rather disagree. Personally, I can't see us making any good changes to the currently-flawed system if Trump wins, and any third party vote becomes a vote for Trump.
@dangillmor
This is insulting. It treats the situation and choices in a completely simplistic manner assuming people don't understand what's involved. You ignore the mass murdering genocide that Biden/Harris enable and empower. The latest lesser evil choice is fundamentally evil yet you don't describe a path to break from this Dem Establishment wealth serving con.

@Silversalty

The latest lesser evil choice is fundamentally evil

Yes, that's why it's called "lesser evil" and not "kind of okay-ish" or "good".

You ignore the mass murdering genocide that Biden/Harris enable and empower.

No, but the alternative is more and harder mass-murdering genocide. Because Trump likes what Netanyahu is doing, he just thinks Netanyahu needs to stop holding back:

Trump criticized Biden and Harris' months-long calls for a ceasefire in Gaza.
"From the start, Harris has worked to tie Israel's hand behind its back, demanding an immediate ceasefire, always demanding ceasefire," Trump said, adding it "would only give Hamas time to regroup and launch a new October 7 style attack."
Trump added: "I will give Israel the support that it needs to win but I do want them to win fast."
In the same event, Trump also labelled pro-Palestinian supporters calling for an end to U.S. support for Israel's war as "pro-Hamas thugs" and "jihad sympathizers." He threatened to arrest and deport them from the U.S. if he became president.

@dangillmor Judging from how this post is worded, and the replies, man, I'm glad I don't live in the US
@dangillmor
WHAT do you know about fascism?
Maybe Nancy Pelosi does.
@dangillmor have you looked at all of the down-ballot races? Fascism is already here. They just want the preznit to be the cherry on top. They couldn't have created a better patsy than the orange dumpster fire to finish the job.
@dangillmor unless you're a trump voter. Then a third-party vote is a vote for Harris.
@dangillmor strip sanctions from ru-oligarchs while democrats on the rule in this moment is worser than just fascism
@dangillmor yes. Because unless your third party wins big enough to form a government and change your system you won't ever have the luxury of third party choice again. Really - he may not have got everything he wanted last time but he's in a position now that given presidency he would effectively have a free hand.
@dangillmor You seem much more concerned about fascism, than about the Slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent brown-skinned children in Gaza. This is an Israeli-American Genocide. The moral priority of the century is to stop it, and to vote for the only candidate that opposes this monstrous evil that your country is 100% engaged in.

@dangillmor

Unless, of course, like most Americans, you live in a "safe state."

@dangillmor

You'd think "simple" was a pretty low, easily-attainable intellectual benchmark, but, even as many years as I have under my belt, it still never surprises me to find that there will always be people that fail to clear that mark, no matter how low you set it.

@dangillmor

Can you simply answer why if the choice is so simple, perhaps a third or more of eligible voters simply won't vote then?

@dangillmor

8 DAYS LEFT TO GET OUT THE BLUE VOTE TO SAVE AMERICA.

Are you involved?
There’s still time to work the vote!

go.kamalaharris.com
indivisible.org
events.democrats.org

#HarrisWalz2024
#GOTV

@dangillmor if Kamala want votes maybe she should stop supporting genocide.

A "democracy" in which both main candidates are pro-genocide (literal fucking GENOCIDE!) is not worth saving and sure as hell doesn't deserve a vote.

@dangillmor I'd like to see a third party take a serious stab at solving the problems, like why a third party can't win, state level laws that give all the EC votes to the winner, rather than wasting time trying for the Presidency.
@dangillmor

no, voting third party is exercising the freedom granted to you to vote your conscience, supporting the candidate the most aligns with your values, as is intended in a democracy.

fascism won when people like you decided to blame people exercising that right instead of the inverted totalitarianism that enabled fascism to rise.

democracy is already dead, fascism already won, and this sort of rhetoric caused it to happen.

you should be ashamed of yourself.