Responsible #FOSS developers should avoid #politics and intentionally divisive behaviours against their userbase. The #freesoftware movement survives on reputation. Less #Wokot and more #Godot!

@LorenzoAncora Gaslighting much?

You are projecting being inclusive as being the divisive thing.

@PotMetPetunias please don't misuse the word gaslighting. Thank you in advance.

I believe #inclusivity should target the entire userbase and social justice shouldn't be the main focus of FOSS game engine development.

@LorenzoAncora I do not misuse the word gaslighting, thanks for your concern.

Inclusivity also means standing up to the excluding entities when arbitrary groups are excluded, ridiculed etc. Which is what the Godot reply did, but you don't show the whole thread.

You are gaslighting, again:
- Stating the presumption that social justice is the main focus in this discussion because of one tiny responsive message.

p.s. Free, Open Source Software Advocacy is a Social Justice Movement.

@PotMetPetunias it wasn't a concern, it was a warning: if you keep abusing the word gaslighing (which should be reserved for more serious topics), you will be excluded from this and future discussions.

@LorenzoAncora As a father to four, including two 🌈, kids, I think this is a very serious topic. I am not abusing it based on your arbitrary severity criterium, I am calling you out.

p.s. Do you see the irony of your threat to exclude me?

@PotMetPetunias good for you if you have 🌈 or πŸ¦„ or πŸ§‘πŸΏ kids or relatives, I fully respect that and wish them the best.
In my social profiles all users are equals. I'm asking you to stop misusing a word which is better used for critical situations, as keeping up with this behaviour could pollute search engines and offend the victims of abuses.
@PotMetPetunias while #LGBTQ and #BLM are good and respectable initiatives, FOSS development projects have no obligation to take sides with any specific social movement. The only purpose of the Godot Engine project is to provide a free suite of tools and educational materials around the engine, so activism is far outside its scope.

@LorenzoAncora They were not taking sides with any specific social movement.

They reacted to ridiculement of certain groups by explicity including some of those ridiculed groups.

I find it very weird how standing up to ridiculement of people is being translated, projected, into taking sides.

Also, you define Godot's purpose as like a hammer's only purpose is to be the object hammer. The tool being a tool is not in itself its purpose, its raison d'Γͺtre.

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@LorenzoAncora Regarding your: "FOSS development projects have no obligation to take sides with any specific social movement.": FOSS is a social movement in itself. It has the defined obligation to be 'open for all and anyone', therefore their reaction to explicitly include the in this discussion ridiculed and excluded groups is the only right reaction, stemming from FOSS policy.

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@PotMetPetunias FOSS only refers to a group of software licenses and development methods: FOSS developers are in no obligation to be activists of the free software movement, to support any foundation/company or to adhere to any specific philosophy.
Project maintainers have total freedom as long as the behaviour of their collaborators is legal and does not harm the userbase or the reputation of other development projects.

@LorenzoAncora FOSS is not merely a bunch of software licenses and development methods: those are (again) only tools to secure the 4 essential freedoms as first defined by Richard Stallman's FSF in the 80's.

These 4 principles lay emphasis on "the whole community", translated into key aspect 4 of FOSS: "No discrimination: There should be no discrimination against persons, groups or fields of endeavor while distributing the software." - osssoftware.org.

EOD

@PotMetPetunias like Stallman, the FSF isn't an authority, it just offers its wholesome opinion to the public. FOSS projects have no obligation to follow their guidance.

Your random link is completely unrelated and contains ads. This doesn't look like a good source. Very bad. 😬

@LorenzoAncora BS, FOSS is even a legal term in your country and the EU. You lack knowledge.

Mute.

@PotMetPetunias actually I am specialized in free software, with years of experience and participation in many libre projects. FOSS and Open Source are terms used in EU regulations, like many common terms, but this doesn't make them special. The FSF and Stallman are not recognized authorities in any part of the world. Nobody is forced to follow their guidelines or philosophy.

Note that muting has no effect outside your own profile. Other users will always see all comments.

@LorenzoAncora The FSF is also absolutely an authority on the topic of what software freedom means, you're not. Software freedom is a political movement, it was since day one.

Not everyone shares those goals, ofcourse.

@PotMetPetunias