Aral BalkanI mean, if an EU citizen’s initiative to tax the rich cannot get a paltry 1 million signatures (less than one quarter of one percent of the population), I guess we really must deserve this bullshit system.
You still have five days, sign this ffs:
Oli@aral I was wondering, why it didn't take off, considering that it's in favour of the large majority... Guess is drowned in the attention economy where only those who pay are seen :'(
A.A. Delafin, radical@olla33 @aral Because these ECI's are meant to be obscure and difficult to succeed by design. The only one that has been quite successful is the one around the preservation of old(er) videogames, sadly.
I don't mind that last one, on the contrary, but it's telling that's the one that gets a lot lf attention and most of the others don't.
I don't mind that last one, on the contrary, but it's telling that's the one that gets a lot lf attention and most of the others don't.
Filip@mysteriarch
FWIW, quite a few ECIs have reached a million signatures in the past (especially animal rights), but the rules on how signatures can be collected were changed a few years ago, so it's much harder now. Even so, the "my voice, my choice" ECI for example is well on track to achieve a million: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/044/public/#/screen/home
I think directly defending rights is also somewhat easier to mobilize for, whereas our #TaxTheRich ask might seem a bit more abstract
@olla33 @aral
FWIW, quite a few ECIs have reached a million signatures in the past (especially animal rights), but the rules on how signatures can be collected were changed a few years ago, so it's much harder now. Even so, the "my voice, my choice" ECI for example is well on track to achieve a million: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/044/public/#/screen/home
I think directly defending rights is also somewhat easier to mobilize for, whereas our #TaxTheRich ask might seem a bit more abstract
@olla33 @aral
@mysteriarch
However I think the main difference is that My Voice, My Choice were somehow able to build a strong coalition of civil society organizations across the EU prior to the start of the ECI, which is something we can learn from
@olla33 @aral
However I think the main difference is that My Voice, My Choice were somehow able to build a strong coalition of civil society organizations across the EU prior to the start of the ECI, which is something we can learn from
@olla33 @aral
AndyDearden@AndyDeardentsa @aral Fully agreed. Let's do it again
Darth Sandwich 🏳️🌈Tax the rich QR codes on public transportation seems like a potentially successful way to get mostly apathetic people to spend a few minutes to fill something out
Matúš Chochlík@aral Just like our US brothers and sisters in christ, Europeans think that they are just temporarily embarrassed multi-millionaires too
Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs@matus_chochlik @aral this victim blaming culture can fuck off
@ellenor2000 @aral If the people in the EU can't be bothered or are afraid to speak up or protest on an issue like this under their real name, then the "perpetrators" have already won and we just need to get "liberated" by some hypothetical outside force.
@matus_chochlik @ellenor2000 @aral
Go on the street right now in Denmark or whatever an ask a hundred people if they've even heard about this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if 100 say no.
Go on the street right now in Denmark or whatever an ask a hundred people if they've even heard about this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if 100 say no.
@pethil @ellenor2000 @aral It isn't exactly a secret, in the past few months I've seen it shared at least 15 times in various places. And at some point people need to stop just complaining and voting for far-right populists and try to be informed about what is actually happening around them, otherwise we really deserve this system and the way worse potential "alternatives".
Peter Bindels@aral Right, the one where you have to fully dox yourself, or sign by logging in to your country's online registration system that fully doxes yourself.
I wonder why there's not much more support logged in the system owned by the governments, controlled by the people with enough money to get elected / support candidates, that requires people to fully identify themselves to exactly that same system.
@dascandy Well you also have to fully dox yourself to vote in an election. It would be good to know, however, whether your signature is linked to you or, like a vote, used only for authentication.
@dascandy “Personal data collected in the statements of support cannot be used for any other purpose”
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/how-it-works/data-protection_en
“Both the group of organisers and the Commission must destroy all statements of support signed for a given initiative (and any copies) by whichever of these dates comes first:
1 month after the organisers submit the initiative to the Commission
21 months after the collection period starts.”
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/data-protection-guidance-question-16_en
Hans-Cees 🍋🌲🦔🦦🐝🦋🐛🚅🇸🇳🇵🇾🇹🇬🇹🇲
Androcat@aral I sort of presume this was either not publicized at all, or was shadow-banned on commercial social media.
Could be wrong, of course.
Taillefer@aral Added my signature. Though at (currently) 14 and a bit % there's a long way to go to reach the threshold in my country.
Kevin Decherf@aral only France and Germany reached the threshold :/
grmon@aral What a shame.
Le Pertti@aral Non European here, What happens if the days run out without enough signatures?Whats stopping the organizers run it again next year? Every European I have shown this to hasn't heard about this initiative or the European Citizen's initiative in general
Jill@aral this is literally the first time I heard of it, so maybe the problem is less about what the population wants or deserves and more about the lack of visibility of the initiative
mcaleaaExactly. The entire problem all along was lack of visibility. The petition is not extreme - it simply requesting the EU Commission that it tables a proposal to address the question of fair taxation.
If enough people see this over this weekend, we will easily make it.
Tim Stickland
webhat@aral I don't believe it's only got ⅓ of the needed signatures. They must be gaming the system
przemelek@aral btw. isn't this proposition against EU law? Income tax, wealth tax, corporate tax - those are reserved for countries. EU has only control on minimal and maximal VAT rate.I think extending EU control would be possible only if European Commission would propose special regulation here, European Parliament voted it and finally countries 'put it to their tax systems.
And it would die in first part in European Commission.
And it would die in first part in European Commission.
GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸@aral Don't suppose you know about sugar and vinegar?
Many people don't know about this. Please inform, don't condemn.
Many people don't know about this. Please inform, don't condemn.
@grumpydad My goodness, to go one day without getting tone policed… now that would be amazing.
noypisaoesterreich@[email protected] to "tax the rich immigrants" & you'll get at least 10x more signatures. as in everywhere else, voters are afraid of imaginary, not the actual, boogeymen :)
COMPU73E ❄️@aral thanks to Brexit I can't even sign this 🤬
@COMPU73E :( I’m sorry; we left the country because of it so I hear you.
Richard 🔶UK #RejoinEU
Alberto Cottica@aral you have a point. And yet, ECIs are considered to be a failure IN GENERAL. Maybe there is not enough of a European demos yet, despite all efforts.
Teggy@aral @izquierda_unida dadle bola porfa 🙏
Philippe Jadin@aral thank you for the reminder
agremon@aral O sistema non funciona. E para sabver iso non fan falta iniciativas como tax the rich, senón só mirar arredor...
OperaLab, by Gilles Denizot@aral Signed, shared and delivered!
NotBlackMagic@aral I simply wasn't aware of it.
root42@aral already backed it…
Jules 🍺@aral wish I could sign this, unfortunately I'm in the UK 😔
sunflowerinrain@aral Looking at this, I need to stop procrastinating and get EU citizenship. Unfortunately, just living here and paying taxes here doesn't get my views counted.
Horror Author Reed AlexanderThe pleebs sure do love their chains.
Traspié@aral Well, taking into account that billionaires usually don't have their money in cash to lose it to inflation but in real state or other property... and that cash can be moved out of the EU very easily (while still being able to use it) while property is hard and real state is impossible...
I think is much more effective to tax property. And property is already taxed.
Not to talk about that there isn't a centralized european tax office.
Johns@aral Paraphrasing IT crowd "people, what a bunch of bastards"
We really have the world that we, humans as a whole, deserve...
As depressing as that sounds
Tim@aral not an eu citizen, but hey, TAX THE RICH!
**Thank you!**
We have one weekend left where this can go viral. I think it is still possible.
Heck, I guess there a million people in #greece alone who would sign this if they get to see it!
Germany and France have over 100,000 signatures each. We need visibility in Eastern and Southern Europe, Portugal and my own homeland #Ireland.
Toos de Rijk@aral ik probeerde het verschillende keren op mijn Android telefoon, maar het lukte niet. Steeds identificatieproblemen. Nu op iPad lukt het wel.
Irina@aral I have already signed, and boosted the appeal multiple times, so I now balk at being shamed for "us" not signing enough. What more can I do, go round the neighbourhood trying to get people to sign? (That will greatly improve my relations with the neighbours (not). Also, I'm too introverted and don't think I can do a believable pitch.) I'll gladly boost a different message (though of course that will go to my own followers again who have already seen it), but not this shaming message.
We don't need AI. AI needs us.@aral
It is not publicized well. I mean I just stumbled on your toot. It is also visible on the main social networks. Nevertheless I would like to have a taxation on capital gains that come from speculation and not merely production..
It is not publicized well. I mean I just stumbled on your toot. It is also visible on the main social networks. Nevertheless I would like to have a taxation on capital gains that come from speculation and not merely production..
@aral you’ve got a branding problem. It does not look serious. Change the image for a different demographic and you might get more
AskPippa🇨🇦@aral It needs to be shared and linked to everywhere on social media so people know about it.
Tijgertje1987@aral signed and boosted.
As a freelancer I earn enough though I would not consider myself rich. but even if this would mean higher taxes for me: I don’t care
As a freelancer I earn enough though I would not consider myself rich. but even if this would mean higher taxes for me: I don’t care