Mark Turner
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮A really annoying thing that absolutely needs to stop:
- "More info in the discord!" / "Changelog in the Discord!"
STOP THAT.
Discord is a closed, proprietary platform. Post your stuff on the actual open web where more people will see it.
Tim ☑️ 🔭🌃📷🪨🚴🌳@gamingonlinux Big agree. I've never yet managed so much as even to sign up for a discord - when I once tried, I kept getting accounts blocked due to "anomalous behaviour" in the middle of 2FA validation. WTAF?
"On discord" = "doesn't exist" here.
Crazy Pony@xylophilist
Same here
Discord checks and works fine if you have a mainstream browser with all safety options turned off, allowing it to scan your system and user behaviour
Discord flags you as suspicious if you use VPN, andor other browsers with safety and anonymity options turned on
Asking to veryify your account per SMS is not so much an 2FA, it is more the kind of getting a phone number as personal ID, perhaps also to hassle and make you stand out as "paranoid nerd"
Tommaso Gagliardoni
Luna Lactea@xylophilist @gamingonlinux I got the same thing when trying to make a new account because work demanded one. I have a personal account but I don't use it & won't use it for work. I still do not have a Discord account for work & I don't intend on trying again to make one, I hate Discord & using Discord for work is stupid.
@xylophilist @gamingonlinux I hate Discord, but I hate how some people use Discord even more.
Vee@gamingonlinux imma ask a stupid question but... how? Not everyone on discord has tech knowledge to do that, you know? So if you post a problem post the solution and it'll be much more effective....
Ian@VeroniqueB99 @gamingonlinux I think he's referring to game developers etc., i.e. people who already have project websites.
@tnbp @gamingonlinux oh ok. Thanks and sorry!
@VeroniqueB99 if people are competent enough to:
- Use Discord
- Have a project that needs a changelog
They will already know how to post it in public elsewhere
Steffo (moving)@gamingonlinux @VeroniqueB99
And, I'd add, if they somehow don't know, it will be worthwhile to learn how to do so!
It's very easy and takes little time nowadays!
And, I'd add, if they somehow don't know, it will be worthwhile to learn how to do so!
It's very easy and takes little time nowadays!
@gamingonlinux 👍 got it.
Gavin@gamingonlinux @VeroniqueB99 not to mention, if they already have a place where they can put the text “read the change log on Discord” then they already have a perfect place to post the change log. Whether that’s a blog, a press release, a GitHub release, a mailing list, whatever. The change log should just be in the thing I’m *already reading*.
antimu0n 🤘 metal lynx ♿ 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️@[email protected] @[email protected] not a stupid question... keep in mind we're talking about people making videogames, you would assume if they can do that they'll be able to handle a website, or know someone who can. But even if not: post it on the games' steam or itch.io page, those are public and searchable!
@antimu0n @gamingonlinux right. Sorry!
Hyperlink Your Heart@gamingonlinux I don't understand the impulse to use Discord for everything. Use it for chat! Use more appropriate tools for your releases, changelogs, outreach etc. Even using it for support chat is not ideal because any solutions arrived at will just be lost in time, though I understand why the immediacy is appealing.
PypeBros@hyperlinkyourheart @gamingonlinux I see it as a way to engage people and have them ready-to-interact early.
Seong's 🎄 Seongs@PypeBros @hyperlinkyourheart @gamingonlinux Can confirm, most people are using it for free/faster tech support.
Even when you tell people to post issues on a perfectly open and available GH issues board, many *still* insist on throwing out issues and feature requests in a chat... That I don't look at and will inevitably get lost as the next couple of people start clogging the help channel.
Unless you ACTIVELY engage with people on Discord, it just turns into a chaotic support outlet.
loonycyborg@gamingonlinux
It's as annoying as posting your changelogs on irc only. Discord is chat, not a publishing avenue.
It's as annoying as posting your changelogs on irc only. Discord is chat, not a publishing avenue.
Márton Braun@gamingonlinux There's a podcast I occasionally listen to that posts links and show notes on Discord, it's ridiculous
Bob K Mertz 
@zsmb13
On a podcast I was previously on we briefly looked at using Discord for a few things beyond chat... It was horrifying and I thank God it didn't get anywhere. Maybe some of it was me yelling "get off my lawn" but my mind just couldn't wrap around static pages in a chat application. That being said, I can tell you that one of the main reasons we looked into it was to increase engagement with our audience.
@gamingonlinux
On a podcast I was previously on we briefly looked at using Discord for a few things beyond chat... It was horrifying and I thank God it didn't get anywhere. Maybe some of it was me yelling "get off my lawn" but my mind just couldn't wrap around static pages in a chat application. That being said, I can tell you that one of the main reasons we looked into it was to increase engagement with our audience.
@gamingonlinux
RiQuY (Ricardo-Stryki)@gamingonlinux or: "Join our Discord to get notified about updates and engage with other members of the community", and the alternative is check their semi-abandoned Twitter.
∅@gamingonlinux Russian authorities have already realized this, so they will soon just ban Discord within the country's territory 
KasTas@gamingonlinux yup. Just got bug report on GitHub referencing sample files posted on Discord channel. Which, of course, is not public :|
LDA [Cirnado Funkson]@[email protected] return to irc so that messages arent kept forever and people finally get that IMs are not meant to do that
Daniel S. Reichenbach@gamingonlinux just use #matrix instead. 🙏
Didek@danielsreichenbach @gamingonlinux
I don't think a chat of any sort is a good place to put a changelog.
@didek @gamingonlinux honestly, a changelog generally is of no interest to users. It's for developers. Users would just be feature tours
@danielsreichenbach @gamingonlinux
Of course it is an interest for users. I can't count apps that I track what's new in them without being engaged with the development.
Also, this should be a "log". An easy way to go back and compare.
Lee 🏖️@danielsreichenbach @gamingonlinux Last time I looked the only place really where people could sign up for an account is on the main instance which defeats the whole purpose of Matrix. Another option is self hosting but the amount of people doing that for their Matrix is pretty thin as well. Doesn't feel like a solution. I agree that Matrix and what it's trying to do is pretty cool.
@beachcomber @gamingonlinux self-hosting should be as easy as running Mastodon instance but it isn't. The key to wider, less centralized adoption probably is making that much friendlier. The way I see it, having a self-hosted mail, Mastodon and Matrix Server should be easy as pie.
Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲
counterindurationMatrix is a horrible piece of technology, no one in their right mind should use it.
@counterinduration can you be a little more specific? I have quite a bit of experience with it, so maybe I can learn something new here.
enoch_exe_inc@gamingonlinux On that note, we really need to fix up #Matrix as a viable alternative to Discord. It’s either that or we bring back #IRC.
MeaTLoTioN@enoch_exe_inc @gamingonlinux Matrix has worked well for me for years, I would recommend that absolutely. I also love IRC.
@meatlotion @enoch_exe_inc @gamingonlinux It still needs some polishing, in my opinion, but I use Matrix for all my secure communications/ambiguously legal fan art.
Matrix is just the horrible hyped shitshow that xmpp was all over again. People are simply not interested in analysing the technology or the alternatives. They just jump on the hype train.
@counterinduration @enoch_exe_inc can you explain what you mean by shitshow? I haven't noticed any issues with Matrix, I've been using it for ~6 years. It's not perfect, but it's never done me wrong, but interested to learn what has caused you issues.
HappyStarDiaz@enoch_exe_inc @gamingonlinux #BringBackIRC pro tip it's actually still there. v3 has some nice quality of life stuff. I've been running ergo ircd for a few years, so easy even a dummy like me can do it
@happystardiaz @enoch_exe_inc @gamingonlinux I wonder if the #Minecraft IRC is still active. I used to come home after school to, one, play pre-Alpha Indev Minecraft, and two, log onto the Minecraft IRC server to chat. I’ve even had the luck of once being online with Notch himself.
@enoch_exe_inc
While i am still on IRC, this is nothing to seriously consider for uses here
Its only a realtime chat, without essential groups group functions, as preserving offline chat history and sharing files
Matrix has its own issues (that seem to have not much priority to fix), but overall it appears to me the best platform for community and project support
Matrix espically has federation for anyone to use any server, no single point of failure or central suppression
doragasu@gamingonlinux Strongly agree. Unfortunately people are lazy, so until there is an open alternative with similar functionality and as easy to set up as Discord, people will continue doing just that.
sverx🗩@doragasu @gamingonlinux Discord is just a replacement for IRC, *if* one really must
@sverx @gamingonlinux It's a weird mix of IRC + voice chat/conferencing with a tiny bit of the good old discussion forums. I find most people use it for things that would fit so much better on discussion forums, because what you put on discord will be lost forever after a week. But as I wrote, people is lazy.
@sverx @gamingonlinux And that's a real problem, because there is a lot of interesting people and stuff that you can only talk to using either that or Twitter...
@doragasu @gamingonlinux This is indeed the solution.
Which is probably why it won't happen, at least until someone with enough talent, design sense, and (mostly) money makes the next thing that'll get big. And the cycle repeats ad nauseum. :)
Or free forum hosting becomes popular, but that probably isn't happening.
@doragasu @gamingonlinux The GitHub Page they're posting their Discord server invitation on would be even more convenient for them to use than the Discord server.
Karl Heinz Häsliprinz@gamingonlinux It's really just a single letter thats off. Discourse is a perfectly fine FOSS forum software fairly decent for keeping further documentation...
Hunter Jozwiak@gamingonlinux @tusooa @gamingonlinux Also don't put your distributables there. It makes updating a pain in the ass.
guyjantic has moved!@gamingonlinux I'm a tech doofus and even I had no trouble installing a self-hosted forum back in the day. Also... gitlab etc. exist.
@gamingonlinux every time i see one of these posts i get overcome by nostalgia remembering my futile attempts to reminding people to post important info somewhere else than their facebook page in early 2010's...
noodlejetski 
@gamingonlinux I love Glorious Eggroll's work, but the readme on his Github infuriates me:
> If you have an issue that happens with my proton-GE build [...] contact me on Discord about the issue
IF ONLY GITHUB HAD A SECTION FOR RECORDING BUGS, MAYBE WE COULD NAME IT "PROBLEMS"
@noodlejetski I actually REALLY FUCKING HATE THIS NGL as I've had to report quite a few GE issues there.
And most of the time it's either getting dismissed by, or utterly buried beneath all the noise of the thousand-or-so other people there and it's maybe a 25% chance that an issue actually gets addressed.
Also the anti-Nvidia bias is way too strong there, which as a user is, uh... *very* welcoming.
Varyag@gamingonlinux my old Discord account literally reached the maximum amount of servers joined because I had folowed so many mod projects for games and communities, where they're the de facto only place to acquire the downloads and information and news on projects.
Notice I said "old account". I lost access to that one, and alongside it, access to tons of small project servers that I have no idea how to find an invite for again.
I wholeheartedly second this sentiment.
Notice I said "old account". I lost access to that one, and alongside it, access to tons of small project servers that I have no idea how to find an invite for again.
I wholeheartedly second this sentiment.
Rastal@gamingonlinux Developers who do this stand out as claiming to be an open source dev, while in reality being a proprietary shill.
Dribbleondo@gamingonlinux it being closed and proprietary is THE LEAST problematic part of this.
It should.be on the open web because joining a discord to download something or to have a read me is terribly inefficient.
Luci ☯⚛