Jon WorthI’m at #Innotrans all day. I’ll sporadically post in this thread.
First impression: CRRC (Chinese manufacturer) has the main advert at Messe Süd
And here it is! The most stupid rail vehicle currently produced. A hydrogen tram 🤬 Hyundai-Rotem #Innotrans
The Talgo electric locomotive for DB - series 105 - is here. They didn’t already build 19 of these I hope? 🤔 #Innotrans
Končar has a battery electric multiple unit here. That seems to charge only from a cable, not from an overhead wire in a terminus #Innotrans
And if you’re going “what’s wrong with a hydrogen tram?” you’re going to be dealt with totally scornfully. Put up a wire. That’s it. #Innotrans
As is a Stadler built new U-Bahn for Berlin - for the narrow profile lines. This is built super solidly, and is more roomy than existing designs. Impressive design. #Innotrans
There’s an Alstom Coradia Max EMU. Mix of single and double deck carriages. Inside it feels cramped - feels like they’re trying to cram in too many seats. #Innotrans
Warning Oslo. We’re going to be remotely controlling a tram in Oslo from Berlin. Fingers crossed the internet connection is solid. 🙂 #Innotrans
For the record: the tram is in a depot 🙂 #Innotrans
Now talking Western Balkans at #Innotrans
The DG of Macedonian Railways is here 🤯
This is the future Tirana central station. That’s not very central. And is meant to run in 2025. #Innotrans
If you’re a panellist at any event *don’t read your speech*. It’s a panel not a speech! #Innotrans
I assume they’re not going to allow questions here though… I have a few things to ask! 😂 #Innotrans
So this is the dude. Sinisa Ivanovski, DG of Macedonian Railways. I have questions… He’s the man presiding over phantom lines and phantom trains. #Innotrans
He’s being asked about ERTMS. He’s not got any trains to put modern signalling *in* 🤬 #Innotrans
This is Macedonia’s ETCS equipped line. No train has ever run on it since it was built in 2019. #Innotrans
This is just delusion. Macedonia has 7 operational trains, TOTAL, I was told in June. 3 multiple units, 4 freight locomotives. The problem is NOT operations first and foremost, but operations and maintenance. #Innotrans
I think I’m more depressed hearing these high level people from Balkan railways than I was when I was in the region in June on #CrossBorderRail #Innotrans
Albanian rail dude claims his new line is 80% complete. This is where the airport station is due to be. NO sign of building in June this year. He’s talking 💩 #Innotrans
It’s amazing this panel. It’s so off the scale delusional. I’ve heard some rubbish at panels over the years, but this is another level. #Innotrans
Here’s my blog post about Macedonia’s phantom rail lines https://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/north-macedonias-phantom-rail-line-and-why-i-am-worried-theyre-repeating-the-error-at-the-other-end-of-the-country/ #Innotrans
And I’m sorry Enno Wiebe from Unife has clearly never travelled by train in the Balkans. ETCS is *irrelevant* if you have no trains. #Innotrans
And there was an announcement of a single daily Paris - Berlin direct train from December. Nice but 🤷♂️
An hourly train Paris-Frankfurt would be more useful.
And I’m done at #Innotrans for today. More tomorrow, and also from an event in the evening hosted by Trainline where I’m a speaker
How many different silly GadgetBahn ideas does SNCF have? Here’s another one - at the CAF stand #Innotrans
Hitachi has some train with even more confusing windows than a Stadler RS1. @wrzlbrnft isn’t going to be a fan! #Innotrans
A Talgo DSB 1st class coach. Can seat 22 passengers. Weighs 17t, unladen. So this would have an axel load too high for a French high speed line (it’s not intended for France, but some Talgo trains are) #innotrans
Softronic. Building trains in Craiova, Romania, based on a 1960s Swedish ASEA design. And now selling them… to Green Cargo in Sweden. 🙂 #innotrans
Cătă 🇷🇴🇺🇦🇲🇩🇪🇺@jon The #LEMA locomotives are really great. I've hopped inside one at the #EuropeanMobilityWeek this weekend here in Bucharest and I have to say I am impressed*. The door of the cabin was wide open, but the temperature inside surprisingly bearable (the weather was still a bit hot, albeit not that hot as in mid summer), and there were all sorts of amenities. They even had a microwave oven and a fridge inside, as well as an autopilot function. In addition, they had all sorts of electronics, compatibility with the #INDUSI system, as well as #ETCS, and outside there were downward facing lights, probably helpful in checking the wheels, but they also give a more modern look of the locomotive overall.
LEMA is a truly impressive and probably underrated #locomotive, perfectly suited for the challenges of today.
Edit: linked the wrong video. Here is the right one
youtube.com/watch?v=vmre7Vyz27…
* Theoretically it is a modernized EA locomotive that CFR Călători had in service, but technically everything has been replaced with #LEMA (Transmontana) equipment.
Softronic - Long Clip - Sweden
Ronald vd W.@jon They don't look very busy so I guess you weren't the only one not interested. 😉
Titia Schuurman@jon Quoth the raven, 'Nevomo!'
webhat@jon is that a cable car?
Lappenjammer@jon Maybe bigger tools?
Dominik 🇬🇱🇺🇦🇪🇺🟥🟢die Solarzellen sind ja niedlich 🤭
Quixoticgeek@jon wtf is that?
@quixoticgeek a TELLI BEMU! (No I’ve no idea either)
Aslak Raanes@jon @quixoticgeek As it says on the label: «TELLi, une offre performante pur mettre le train au cœur des zones périubaines et rurales»
It's for driving trains dangerously close the the sea https://www.groupe-sncf.com/en/innovation/local-mobility/telli
The concept seems similar to Stadler #RSzero, a partly battery/electric train
prosiac@aslakr @jon @quixoticgeek Well the latest version of TELLI looks like a decent train for rural lines. The first version is completely a gadgetbahn with only a driver cab on the top and they were saying the sight of the driver will come from the cameras on the front !!
keplerniko
Braid in trains 
- solidarity with 
@jon @quixoticgeek Well, at least the TELLi thingy seems to be basically a pretty light TER unit in the style of a A TER but in double traction rather than one of these cursed gadget rail systems ? Like, you know, using real tracks and real stations on real railway lines.
@lewd @quixoticgeek but it has single axels? Like a Pacer?
Tristram Gräbener@jon @lewd @quixoticgeek maybe some S-tog (copenhagen) or Talgo inspiration?
Yet not sure what the gain would be compared to the RS Zero
Yet not sure what the gain would be compared to the RS Zero
Martha@jon
Wot dat?
Wot dat?
@Island_Martha some theoretical future train for branch lines. No idea.
@jon
A concept of a plan, then
A concept of a plan, then
Antonia 
@jon adding insult to injury
JTW
networkException 
@jon hmmm DB Regio bs
Elias Probst
Rob Abram
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AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈♾️@jon
Ah, p0rn ;-p
Ah, p0rn ;-p
🇺🇦🇪🇺 cweickhmann
Guillaume Rischard@jon can you tell Trainline that pre-checking the booking.com search checkbox on their website is bloody annoying?
@grischard that’s a comparably minor quibble to be fair. There are much deeper issues!
Pascal@jon What time and where is that event?
@pblilou 1800 today. But not at Messe https://www.thetrainline.com/information/innotrans
@jon is this ignorance, incompetence, or corruption?
ben@quixoticgeek @jon ERTMS development is one of the few things that Unife actually does besides advocacy, so the guy is just talking about the thing he has some responsibility for, relevant or not.
Will Deakin@jon in many cases ETCS is irrelevant unless you have a lot of other stuff right...
Ignas Kiela@jon I mean ETCS is relevant if you're building something new, as new stuff should use it to not suck ass
but it won't make the surrounding stuff to not suck ass
but it won't make the surrounding stuff to not suck ass
Garry Keenor@jon it's like in Field of Dreams... If you build [a modern signalling system] then the trains Will Come
Martin Hoffmann