I‘m happy and sad at the same time to announce that after 4 years I’m leaving Apple (and the US) in 3 weeks.

Working on developer tools at Apple was a dream come true. I met lots of great people at Apple and really enjoyed working with them and I’m grateful that I was able to help ship some improvements to „our“ tools.

But I severely overestimated Apple‘s flexibility and ability to adapt to a changed world of how work is done nowadays.

Yes, I’m leaving because of Apple‘s #remotework policy.

For those who are interested: I’ll be joining a company in Germany (in Kiel) starting November 1st and going back to iOS development.

People in Germany might have a chance to know them: https://www.dataport.de/

Everyone else most likely has never heard of them. 😅

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@cocoafrog Congrats!

Anyone who has recently been looking for a job will know Dataport very well. They advertised quite a few interesting jobs. Unfortunately, at least from the advertisements, the pay seemed to be below average, which was one of the things that put me off applying.

@cocoafrog Best of luck for the future <3
@cocoafrog which is interestingly the company where one of our more recent colleagues joined us from. 😅
@cocoafrog happy for u / sorry that happened
@NeoNacho was waiting for this response, very good fit this time. ;)
@cocoafrog sorry to hear that but I completely understand
@cocoafrog Sounds like congratulations is in order! Glad you did what's best for you!

@cocoafrog I personally will never go back into an office again. (I guaranteed this by moving to a small town without many computer jobs. 😄 )

Remote work is the only way to go.

@cocoafrog Congrats @ lfreeing yourself from the rotten fruit.
@cocoafrog I keep hoping Apple will modernise one of these days, but probably not.
@cocoafrog Sad that it had to come to this, but glad you were able to make the decision and do what is best for you. Hope to catch up sometime, when I am up in the north! 😊
@cocoafrog I’m curious which came first: the desire to relocate or the frustration with rigid policy?
@grork from the beginning , my plan was to work from Germany. I joined in 2020 in Germany and worked from there for 1.5 years while officially waiting for a visa and secretly hoping I’d never need it because by the time it came around Apple would have accepted remote work and I could just stay. Then in 2022 I had to move to keep my job and I have been trying to find a way back since then. So I guess both were there from the beginning?
@cocoafrog oh! That’s lovely insight. I appreciate the openness!
@cocoafrog @grork Didn't you know from the beginning that this was a US job? How could you have hoped for not having to be in the US for that? That part feels a little weird to me, it's not like Apple has ever been ambiguous here.

@helge @grork I feel like I explained that in the the prev two messages? Yes, I knew this was officially a US position and only parked in Germany for the first year.

But it was also shortly after the pandemic and everyone was working remotely, including at Apple. When I joined only half my team was in Cupertino, the other half was distributed across various locations in the US and Europe.

So I had hoped that Apple’s leadership would realize that this is completely fine and just let us be.

@helge @grork also, I know people who made this work before the pandemic (moved to the US temporarily and then came back to Germany and work remotely for Apple). So I hoped it would become easier to do this. Instead Apple has become extremely restrictive about these kinds of models to the point they are virtually non-existent.

It’s now much *harder* to work remotely for Apple than before the pandemic.

@helge @grork lastly, I’ve worked for companies with partial WFH-agreements before.

The last one before Apple was Yelp. There I managed to get an agreement to work only two days per week in the office and three from home. It took quite a bit of negotiating to get to that point before the pandemic. But shortly after the pandemic started Yelp transitioned to „work wherever you like (and we have payroll)“ to the best of my knowledge. I had simply hoped that Apple would make a similar transition.

@cocoafrog I’m sad that it’s ending for you, especially for this reason, but wish you continued success.
@cocoafrog congrats! The new place is lucky to have you!

@cocoafrog this is tragic for Apple and their users. So much talent lost over a pointless and gratuitous policy.

Very sorry to hear this, and good luck on your next adventures.

Hugs.

@cocoafrog Wow this sucks :( Hope you enjoy what’s next!