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@catsalad Is there a use case for PalmOS today?

David JONES Sep 11, 2024

@beyondmachines1 @catsalad does the kindle run a version of it?

@drj @beyondmachines1 @catsalad

The kindle is either a heavily modified Android or a custom Linux system. I can't remember which.

I believe it's Android.

The Last Psion | Alex Sep 11, 2024

@RL_Dane @drj @beyondmachines1 @catsalad It's custom Linux. Good in some ways, not so good in others.

The Last Psion | Alex Sep 11, 2024

@beyondmachines1 @catsalad Call me biased, but I think there's a place for offline-first devices with batteries that last for weeks.

Club de TéléMatique

@thelastpsion @beyondmachines1 @catsalad

yes. They even have a name; it's called:

THE HOLY GRAIL

BeyondMachines

@ClubTeleMatique @thelastpsion @catsalad

They used to be called Sony Ericsson. This little dude lasted 13 days without charging while we were on vacation.

By the time i had to charge it I had forgotten where I put the charger.

Thom, exceedingly pure Sep 11, 2024

@catsalad Palm OS is love, Palm OS is life.

I should stop collecting Palm OS devices. Twenty is surely enough.

Kancept Sep 11, 2024

@thomholwerda @catsalad I used to collect a lot like BeOS gear, WebOS, OS/2 as they were huge parts of my tech upbringing. I ran out of room and had to focus, so sold it all off. Heck, there was an OSNews story about my BeOS collection. 😉

Thom, exceedingly pure Sep 11, 2024

@Kancept Yeah I vaguely remember a story like that! Luckily Palm OS devices don't take up much space.

Kancept Sep 11, 2024

@thomholwerda then your collection needs to grow, cuz boy howdy there were a ton!

@catsalad i crave modern PDAs

Same. I was going to get a ClockworkPi #uConsole, but their wait times are hovering around 9 months.

I'd love to build my own (even though I've never done anything close to that), but sourcing a good mini keyboard is hella tricky.

https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/io.github.tmatz.hackers_unistroke_keyboard

@RL_Dane @catsalad that thing is too big

keyboard is nice but i want graffiti

You know there's a graffiti keyboard for Android?

„Unistroke Keyboard“ – IzzyOnDroid F-Droid Repository

Unistroke Handwriting Input Method for Programming

IzzyOnDroid App Repo

Steve KØSTK Sep 11, 2024

@RL_Dane @jaiden @catsalad Unfortunately that unistroke keyboard hasn't been updated for current Android. So it won't install on my phone.

@k0stk @jaiden @catsalad

Odd, it installs fine on my Pixel 7 running Android 14 (#CalyxOS 5.11.0)

It doesn't have a launchable icon, but it's selectable in the keyboard settings.

@RL_Dane @k0stk @catsalad will try it on one of my fires or degoogled lineage a14 on my 5t

Steve KØSTK Sep 11, 2024

@RL_Dane @jaiden @catsalad I tried it on an S24+ w/ Android 14

It fails with an "unknown error".

Nephiel Sep 12, 2024

@k0stk @RL_Dane @jaiden @catsalad The original Graffiti is still available in the Google Play Store, I use it as the default keyboard on all my Android devices: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.access_company.graffiti_pro

Graffiti Pro for Android - Apps on Google Play

Tired of your on-screen keyboard? Try Graffitiーthe popular stroke input system.

@nephiel @k0stk @jaiden @catsalad

I had no idea!

@RL_Dane @nephiel @k0stk @jaiden @[email protected]

Rozzychan Sep 12, 2024

Its terms allow advertising and third party something, but it has a special clause that some parts are GNU public license and modification is okay. Worth taking a chance I think.

Nephiel Sep 12, 2024

@Rozzychan @RL_Dane @k0stk @jaiden I run it with network permission blocked. It's not perfect, up/down arrow strokes don't work and it has some trouble with accents, but still lets me type faster and without looking most of the time.

@Rozzychan @nephiel @k0stk @jaiden

If you have the ability to block network permissions on your android build, then I'd try it, otherwise not.

@RL_Dane @catsalad i think my plans for the day have just changed

^___^

And I guess BeOS/Garnet, while they're at it.

Neil E. Hodges Sep 11, 2024

@RL_Dane @catsalad What about PalmOS 6/Cobalt?

Sorry, I think I'm getting my codenames confused. Which one was based on BeOS?

Neil E. Hodges Sep 11, 2024

@RL_Dane @catsalad I think Cobalt was.

What was Garnet, then?

Marty Fouts Sep 11, 2024

@tk @tk @RL_Dane @catsalad I worked on Cobalt. It was Linux based.

@MartyFouts @tk @catsalad

Oh nice! I don't think I ever tried that. I do recall messing around with Garnet in an emulator/simulator at some point.

Whatever happened to it? I vaguely remember the traditional PalmOS IP being bought by "ACCESS" or something like that?

Marty Fouts Sep 11, 2024

@RL_Dane @tk @catsalad Palm spun PalmSource off to be an OS company. After a couple of years they got tired of being effectively PalmSource’s only customer so PalmSource sold itself to Access.

I, along with most developers, left around then and as far as I know Access never finished Cobolt.

@MartyFouts @tk @catsalad

Ah, yes. I remember that era of Palm. Lots and lots of very questionable management decisions.

The 500 Hats of LambdaCalculus Sep 11, 2024

@catsalad Been saying this for years!!

@[email protected]Sep 11, 2024

@catsalad graffiti for the palm OS occupies the same space in my brain as the white dot easter egg from Adventure for the Atari 2600. I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last night but those two things are always upfront ready to go at a moments notice.

knickish Sep 11, 2024

When you're right, you're right

Viss Sep 11, 2024

@catsalad i had a treo back in the day and it was a DUMPSTER FIRE

Miri Sep 11, 2024

@Viss @catsalad I think I went through 2 Treos and then a Blackberry. By that point a couple of iPhones had come out and I made the move to them.

I hated the Treo and Blackberry…

Viss Sep 11, 2024

@miri @catsalad i made the front of wired for a few days because i shot my treo in a pretty spectacular way

evan

@Viss I'm probably looking back through rose tinted glasses, but I LOVED my Treo Pro 850. I had a PPC-6700 before that and the Treo just felt so sleek and professional 😅 I wanted to love the Pre when it dropped shortly after, but that battery life was just abysmal

Viss Sep 12, 2024

@evan i had a 650. it was so bad and buggy and horrible i literally drove it out to the desert and destroyed it spectacularly

evan

@Viss understandable. I had a Kindle Fire that met a similar end years ago, with the aftermath posted alongside my review. Pretty satisfying feeling until I got a call at work from some VP or SVP at Amazon (don't recall exactly) asking about it. Then I was just creeped out 😬