Dear Swifties:
The radical theocratic terrorists that targeted the Taylor Swift concert are functionally the same people that want to destroy Israel.
The ideology is the same. The willingness to kill civilians is the same. The goal is the same.
When you support Hamas, you’re supporting the same people that wanted to assassinate Taylor Swift and her fans.
@Colman
Sheesh
Someone I used to have time for.
@mingo @briannawu criticism of Israel === antisemitism.
The Israeli right and their allies have been working hard to fix that identity and to identify Zionism with Jewishness in American and Western political discourse for decades. That’s how they manage to accuse Israeli Jews of antisemitism for criticising genocide. 🤷🏻♂️
Propaganda works.
@mingo Your opinions on I/P are valid but don't try to claim "Jewish authority" on the issue because you have a "strong patrilineal line on my mother's side." That's not how Judaism works and this is just creepy blood quantum BS.
It's transparently cynical - "I have Jewish blood, so my takes on Israel are more valid." no.
@EmilyK I am not saying I am Jewish. What the fuck, stop calling me antisemitic, you don’t even know me. I was hoping discourse would be a little more elevated here.
Again, I mentioned my heritage because it was part of my upbringing and it’s really weird after a lifetime of defending Jews to be accused of being antisemitic because I *also* defend Palestinians.
Please, try to be a little nicer here.
@jik @briannawu @mingo @Colman Here’s Chomsky with a bit of context on the topic. Hint: there’s a decades-long intentional propaganda effort behind this “confusion”.
@jik I think it’s one of the signs of maturity. Can’t regret it takes time for your own understanding to evolve sufficiently in order to start seeing the perspectives he offers as valid.
For me it took a lot of years. Plus, he intentionally uses monotone as to not color his statements - and that droning voice does not help with attention retention.
@jik @briannawu @mingo @Colman
Very moving. Highly righteous. Thank you from a Jewish atheist.
If civilian casualties are important to you, why would you be appalled at the mention of civilian death ratios? The lower that ratio is, the fewer civilian casualties there are, proportionally.
@briannawu @Colman are you really using civilian death ratios to justify a war in the 21st century? There is never any justification for war. Not for Israel. Not for Hamas.
On that note, Hamas is a terrorist organization. Palestine isn’t. Israel went to war against both Palestine and Hamas.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
@jeromechoo @Colman No. Israel is defending itself. If this was is not just, no war is just.
Palestine started this. They raped. They kidnapped. They slaughtered. They tore women’s breasts off and threw them like footballs.
And morons like you cheerlead them.
@briannawu @Colman last time I checked defending oneself doesn’t involve walking over to your neighbor’s house and burning it down.
“They started it” is a tool used by children on a playground to explain their poor behavior.
“Morons” is not a term for civil discourse.
Cheerlead? War is a wrong on both sides. Terrorism is a wrong on one.
I am not defending Hamas. I’m arguing against the casualties of a “they started it” war.
@briannawu @Colman what is a satisfactory outcome of this situation for you?
An eye for an eye? 30,000 Palestinian breasts ripped and tossed for every Israeli?
Every Palestinian dead?
I would genuinely like to know.
@briannawu @jeromechoo @Colman
WTAF, Brianna.
@briannawu @jeromechoo @Colman Holy shit. You know better than to elide Hamas into all of Palestine. Hamas isn’t even *Gaza*. If you can’t see the difference between those three groups, you have absolutely zero business discussing this topic.
Of course, the fact you seem to think this war kicked off last year is evidence enough.
For a long time I had reason enough to respect you despite your tendency to go off half-cocked. This is dangerously wrong though.
You're repeating Netanyahu's propaganda to justify his war. Israel is not "merely defending itself". Israel is by far the most powerful party in this ongoing conflict, and it's causing by far the most casualties and the most destruction. It's commiting the most war crimes. They have people defending the rape and torture of Palestinians. This is completely indefensible and you're defending it.
@briannawu @jeromechoo @Colman
"In most cases of genocide, from Bosnia to Namibia, from Rwanda to Armenia, the perpetrators of the murder said they were acting in self-defence. The fact that what is happening in Gaza does not resemble the Holocaust, writes Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg, does not mean that it is not genocide"
https://thepalestineproject.medium.com/yes-it-is-genocide-634a07ea27d4
@briannawu @jeromechoo @Colman
“Palestine” is not an actor. There is no amorphous mass of people who share collective guilt with Hamas. The children who are being mass murdered did not perpetrate the 7 October attack. The Israeli state cannot defend itself against people who did it no harm and pose no threat.
@HeavenlyPossum @briannawu @jeromechoo @Colman
Israel is using collective punishment against all Palestinians, especially in Gaza.
Collective Punishment is recognised as a war crime under the Geneva conventions
Apparently the newest pro #Israel propaganda talking point is, "The civilian to combatant death ratio in #Gaza is only 2:1, which is much better than the 9:1 ratio for modern urban warfare, so that proves Israel is being careful not to unnecessarily harm civilians, which proves that they're not committing #genocide." Everything about this is false. Let's walk through it step by step so you know how to respond (should you wish to) if you encounter it. 1/8
"Lowest civilian death ratio” compared with WHAT? A ratio has two elements. The Palestinian civilians (who multiple Israeli government officials have spoken of wanting to kill more of or drive out completely — both of which are definitionally genocidal) compared with WHO?
Hamas attacked Israel.
Hamas claimed and was estimated to have tens of thousands of fighters.
Hamas had and fired many thousands of rockets at Israel.
And so many people still don't understand (or just ignore) that is a two-sided war, with one side (Hamas), incidentally, deliberately targeting civilians while also deliberately using its own civilians as shields.
Exactly what you count as the start of the war is debatable; Palestinians have been dying for decades. But it's a war that Netanyahu has put a lot of effort into continuing and escalating.
Please don't defend fascists like Netanyahu.
I have been engaged for six decades in the human rights movement, which has endeavored to restore peace by enforcing International Humanitarian Law. Can the law bring a measure of justice to the victims of Israel’s and Hamas’s violence?
"Yes, it is genocide
In most cases of genocide, from Bosnia to Namibia, from Rwanda to Armenia, the perpetrators of the murder said they were acting in self-defence. The fact that what is happening in Gaza does not resemble the Holocaust, writes Holocaust scholar Amos Goldberg, does not mean that it is not genocide"
https://thepalestineproject.medium.com/yes-it-is-genocide-634a07ea27d4
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