i don’t even need to hear from the EFF to have a good argument why adshit shouldn’t run on my computers
the argument is: it’s my computer
no seriously. are they paying me for the use of my computer to run their adshit? no? then it doesn’t need to run on my computer.
that shit is for me, not doubleclick or whatever the bloody thing is called now. if it ain’t making me happy or bringing me money, it’s out
100% my feelings!
Microsoft’s latest advertising wheeze!
My firm pays for and runs Office 365 Business.
Outlook on my Windows and Mac laptops is OK, but Microsoft sells adverts on my mobile installations of Outlook 🤬
That's my point. I do pay for Office 365 Business and I don't see ads on my laptops, but when I log into the same account on iOS and iPadOS, the first entry in my Inbox is an advert 🤷
Please can you let me know what you find?
Oh...hold on...I've just reread your post and you're talking about the new version of Outlook and I'm running the classic version as I can't bear the "cartoon" appearance of the new version 🤔
Ads are attack vectors, therefore ads aren't allowed on my network.
⬆️ @ariadne
>> are they paying me for the use of my computer to run their adshit? no? then it doesn’t need to run on my computer.
They are paying you in kind.
By running search engines, by running your email services, by providing storage for your documents and photos, by powering your blogs and social media, by giving you maps and directions, by translating ideas between languages, and in so many other ways — ALL of which cost money — that you DON’T PAY for.
Privacy is not FREE. Pay for it
What's stupid and moronic is you inability to understand basic economics.
Go to the top of this thread. Then click on that post. And THEN read everything below.
You THINK you are getting stuff for FREE, but you are NOT. You have to read in order to understand, and may be you won't understand even then
You get served ads because that's how companies recoup the cost of services you think you are getting for free.
NOTHING is free. Privacy is not a right in PUBLIC.
>> everyone knows their business model. We just opt to not be a part of it by not using their services.
Good. That's what I decided too.
>> The problem i have with your rationale is that these companies released this services without letting people know what they were giving in return for their "free service"
Email & Web have been mainstream for more than 3 decades. Search is almost a quarter century old. That's a LONG time for anyone to understand the model
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>> got everyone dependent on their platform and how use and abuse their dominant position in the market to bully others from entering the market.
They were not always monopolies. There were lots of choices. People made choices, and some of them were bad choices that fueled growth of monopolies.
People's choices led to most monopolies. Companies didn't force themselves on us on day one.
I remember choosing non-Microsoft solutions in 1990s & survived against ALL odds
>> what the fuck are you on about.
privacy should be free you fucking moron
NOTHING in this world is free.
I pay for a phone that does not snoop on me. I pay for a computer and OS that does not serve me ads, and has privacy features built into the operating system. I don’t stay logged in to services that track my every move. I pay for #Mastodon service.
I do see a few ads, but nowhere near what most freeloaders do.
Now watch your language if you want to continue to discuss
⬆️ #HitAndRun by @silly
No, privacy is not a right in public spaces and on other’s properties or when using free services.
>> Also you don’t pay for #Mastodon . You are literally on dot.social.
She is not only a foul mouth but presumptuous too.
I support Mastodon with a paid monthly subscription through #Patreon and have done that since last year because I see value in the service.
@rameshgupta @silly @[email protected]
I pay for a[n ...] OS that does not serve me ads>> what the fuck? so you're saying "i pay for something you get for free so you should too"
No, that's not what I said. Go to the top of this thread. Then click on that post. And THEN read everything below.
You THINK you are getting stuff for FREE, but you are NOT. You have to read in order to understand, and may be you won;t understand even if you read.
You get served ads because that's how companies recoup the cost of services you think you are getting for free.
@rameshgupta @tauon @ariadne @silly The internet existed before corporations used it as an ad platform. They are not innocently developing cool services with ads as a monetization strategy, they're developing services as a way to force people to view their ad network content.
Ads were not inevitable, but viewpoints like yours allowed them to become ubiquitous.
Privacy should be the default. It's very simple.
⬆️ @tauon @ariadne @sekka @silly
>> privacy sort of IS the default, these companies choose to specifically violate that
I’ve said this multiple times in this thread, but I’ll repeat it once more.
Privacy is default in your own home, not in public, not on others’ properties, and certainly not on corporate sites whose service you use for “free.”
They are not violating privacy. They are recouping the cost of services they provide to you. It’s a Faustian bargain YOU CHOSE. You can choose to quit
⬆️ @sekka @tauon @ariadne @silly
>>Ads were not inevitable, but viewpoints like yours allowed them to become ubiquitous.
You either did not read my viewpoint or did not understand it.
I say the same thing — email and web existed before ad monetization.
I have resisted ad monetization with good results. I wonder why others failed, why they whine, and put blame on anti-ad people like me.
Don’t eat free candy without giving up something else. Pay for services using money or your data. Simple.
⬆️ @transbian_arsonists @ariadne
You will learn about #HumanRights violations when #Project2025 will shove that #pole in your back, you #entitled POS
⬆️ #HitAndRun by @transbian_arsonists @ariadne
>> im not american and your country's reach is not close to as great as you tell yourself
Different level of stupid and moronic. I was correct that she might not comprehend things even if she read them through.
This discussion is about global communication infrastructure — The worldwide web, email, & so on.
It doesn't matter which country she is from. She is still affected by this, no matter how #smug and #entitled she projects herself to be.
⬆️ #HitAndRun by #smug #entitled @ariadne who started this rant and then decided she didn't want to play.
#Entitlement is one hell of a drug.
⬆️ @cancel
>> Naw you don’t get a choice. Google tries to run ads using my computing power, energy, bandwidth, even though I don’t use their services. They get to run first without asking questions. I’m only allowed to close the browser tab later…
Naw, you had choices. You made choices that led Google down this path. Others fought back, and so, have fewer complaints.
Google doesn't get to use MY computing power, energy, bandwidth, etc. when I am not using its services. You made wrong choices.
⬆️ @cancel
>> ???
Google doesn't get to use MY computing power, energy, bandwidth, etc. when I am not using its services. You made wrong choices.
What choices did you make in computers, operating systems, browsers, and apps?
If you say #ChromeBook, #ChromeOS, #Chrome browser, and #Google services, I’d say you made terrible choices.
Otherwise, please share how Google is able to run ads using your computing power, your energy, and your bandwidth, even though you don’t use their services 🤔
⬆️ >> They are paying you in kind. By running search engines, by running your email services, by providing storage for your documents and photos, by powering your blogs and social media, by giving you maps and directions, by translating ideas between languages, and in so many other ways — ALL of which cost money — that you DON’T PAY for. Privacy is not FREE.
Also, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR 😂
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no no, not a teams meeting, it's a meet meeting. on google meet. it might be called duo for you? i sent you a hangouts to the drive link on messages. no no not your gmail inbox, it's under "all mail", not every email goes to the inbox, haha. or if you're using the classic mode it might be under meetups or promotions. yeah where the chats used to be, before they made google voice an RCS thing. have you got it from google play? no not the green one, the new one with the multicoloured icon. you can only use the green one with legacy members. ok so the problem is you're on workspace for *business*, it's under google one basic now. did you try quick sharing it? no see you can't use it on a tablet, only a phone or laptop, unless you want the plus features, that only works on phones of course. honestly the easiest way from here is through the docs plugin, unless you wanna family share if you can do vowifi
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But I didn't ask them to run all these services. If they are willing to stop, shut the company down and let everyone go home… I'd say: "Go for it! You have my complete support!" 😏
>> I didn't ask them to run all these services
BINGO! Then you shouldn’t be affected by any of this.
I rely only sparingly on their services, and for that, I know that the exploitation is MUTUAL — I exploit them in proportion to them exploiting me.
To minimize exploitation, I use paid alternatives whenever available.
The problem is with people who want to enjoy “FREE” services and complain about exploitation. No company owes them what they think is their #entitlement.
>> If I don't want software running on my computer, then I won't run it…If [they] want to block me from using their service because of this, that's fair
BINGO.
It's AT-WILL on both sides.
Don't like ads?
Don't use free services.
Simple.
>> But don't tell me that if I'm still able to use a service then I'm somehow cheating them out of money.
I didn't say we "cheat" them. I said we "whine"
>> It's THEIR choice to provide the service
AT-WILL choice for BOTH
⬆️ @lanodan
>> Search engines… there is some without any ads…Email services there's a ton of alternatives…same shit for blogs…OpenStreetMap
YES! Use them to avoid ads. Simple. Use #Linux instead of #Windows, or pay up for #MacOS to avoid ads.
>> Social media? Not really applicable for the Fediverse. Advertisers aren't needed, they just are manipulators
Who pays for #Fediverse? #Mastodon costs money to run. If we don't pay, they WILL have to fall back on ads. Freeloaders spoil it for everyone
⬆️ @lanodan
>> Yeah sure I'll inject ads on my own #Fediverse software…and sure people won't then flock en masse to other servers that they can run on a shoebox
Snark, and still miss the point 🙄
#Fediverse is massive infrastructure, not just your little shoebox. How many users do you host? How do YOU make a living? How do OTHERS on the back of whose work you run your shoebox make a living?
EVERYTHING needs external nourishment, from a simple biological cell to complex computing infrastructure
⬆️ @lanodan
>>>> The massive point you're missing is that most of the Fediverse is ran like a charity
I'm not missing anything. You just missed what I already said in response to your earlier post:
>> Services don't NEED to work in market economies. They can be sponsored by donations from patrons & benefactors. But SOMEBODY has to pay. Freeloaders had no right to whine
The world does not run on charity alone. Charity is needed and is very helpful. Otherwise users, patrons, customers must pay
⬆️ @lanodan
Know that I am changing your Quiet-Public setting to Public for your posts where you put your immaturity & lack of knowledge for whole world to see?
Sooner or later, you will self-0wn.
> Freeloaders had no right to whine
>> By the way from my side of things, you're a freeloader :P
No, I am not. Research all of my posts in this thread and you will learn that I pay a monthly fee through Patreon to cover a part of #Mastodon cost
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