Electronic Frontier Foundation
Still on X? Without notice, X has opted all users into training its "Grok" AI Model. To turn off this setting and stop your "posts, interactions, inputs, and results" from being used for training and fine-tuning Grok, visit https://x.com/settings/grok_settings and uncheck the checkbox.
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X (formerly Twitter)
Jul 26, 2024 at 5:58pmWeb
Show threadinpcJul 26, 2024
@eff To turn it off, delete account.

Not sure why anyone would trust Elno tbh.
Show threadSome(oz)Jul 26, 2024
@eff Sure, let's train a LLM on bigotry and hatred. 🤣
Show threadokanogen VerminEnemyFromWithinJul 27, 2024
@oz @eff
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 26, 2024
@eff Surprised the EFF stance isn't to get off Twitter entirely.
Show threadel_haych2024Jul 26, 2024
@jenzi @eff it is a popular platform. Doesn't make sense to refrain from using it if it's useful.
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 26, 2024
@el_haych2024 It's not useful, it's a hate site for bigots that is now stealing your content to make a select few people a lot of money.
Show threadel_haych2024Jul 26, 2024
@jenzi yeah and ignorance is bliss
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 26, 2024
@el_haych2024 Not sure what you're trying to say because you've not said it.
Show threadRoni Rolle LaukkarinenJul 26, 2024

@jenzi @el_haych2024

People do not care. I have mostly given up of convincing X users. They say "I know but whatever" and keep using it.

Show threadJoe OrtizJul 26, 2024

@rolle @jenzi @el_haych2024 Plus in addition, some, if not most would happily hand over their financial information over to him.

It's one hell of a addiction and I too have given up convincing.

Show threadokanogen VerminEnemyFromWithinJul 28, 2024
@el_haych2024 @jenzi
Ignorance of racist, white Supremacist, Nazi propaganda is actually bliss. Yes. 💯 agree.
Show threadenoch_exe_incJul 26, 2024
@jenzi @el_haych2024 The same could be said of Reddit. Unfortunately, the sheer size of the platform and lack of alternatives that even come close to its popularity means a lot of people will put up with its bullshіt.
Show threadKonatoJul 26, 2024
@jenzi @el_haych2024 I'm not going to defend twitter, it IS a cesspool, but I never hand any kind of interaction with those people, probably because I don't really have conversations over there in the first place, but it's not like every single post and user is the devil.
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 27, 2024
@konato @el_haych2024 no one said that
Show threadKonatoJul 27, 2024
@jenzi @el_haych2024 "It's not useful, it's a hate site for bigots" really reads like it, just saying.
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 27, 2024
@konato @el_haych2024 you confuse collectively it’s a shit site for nazis. Sorry that offends you.
Show threadKonatoJul 27, 2024
@jenzi @el_haych2024 No offense :)
Show threadJackJul 27, 2024
@jenzi @el_haych2024 I used to be on team "Twitter is still relevant unfortunately so whatever" but holy shit the hate and misinfo has gotten so bad recently I really am encouraging as many people as possible to jump ship. The only reason I have stayed is for local transit and emergency updates from municipal accounts.
Show threadokanogen VerminEnemyFromWithinJul 28, 2024
@el_haych2024 @jenzi @eff
Popular with racists, White Supremacists, and Nazis....
Show threadkkellerJul 26, 2024
@jenzi @eff the EFF may realize that, while that's certainly the best strategy, not everyone is willing to take that step yet.
Show threadBjarneJul 26, 2024
@jenzi @eff I would understand and kinda hope if they are the last ones to leave the ship. Their posts have way bigger use on there than here. This being on top of mastodon.social is more or less meaningless.
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 26, 2024
@bjarne Over there they'd get banned for this. I'm suspended for calling a right wing personality a Nazi.
Show threadBjarneJul 26, 2024
@jenzi They are doing that though. The comments on this post have a completely different sentiment over there and i think a lot more people consider actually deleting their account from it. Just think its not the right call to leave just yet.
Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 26, 2024
@bjarne I agree to not leave, raise the alarm - for sure. The EFF should always be one of the last to leave the platform(s) in this regard.
Show threaddraeathJul 26, 2024

@jenzi @eff perfect is the enemy of good.

Ideally the platform would die off sooner rather than later, but in the meantime...

Show threadOld Man in the ShoeJul 26, 2024
@draeath That saying doesn't apply here, that's about getting work done, not protecting people from what Twitter has become and stands for.
Show threadLukefromDCJul 27, 2024
@draeath @jenzi @eff That ship might not go down without taking a few more well-aimed torpedoes
Show threadJustin ⏚Jul 26, 2024
@eff I'm sure they'll honor that check mark
Show threadjmhtJul 26, 2024
@eff What's 'X'? 🤔
Show threadm0xEEJul 26, 2024
@jmht
It's what marks the spot!
@eff
Show threadMKSCJul 26, 2024
@jmht It’s actually Twitter. Elon Musk bought the site and changed its name to that absurdity of a name.
Show threadjmhtJul 26, 2024
@mksc74 Sorry, should have added a tongue-in-cheek emoticon 😉
Show threadwasabi brainJul 26, 2024
@eff can’t think of data set any more low quality than that for trying to get quality answers consistently
Show threadm0xEEJul 26, 2024

@virtualinanity
They are probably looking for confirmation of the hypothesis that LLMS trained on the output of other LLMS are prone to collapse: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/07/26/0016252/ai-models-face-collapse-if-they-overdose-on-their-own-output
You know, considering the whole bot situation on former Twitter 😏

@eff

AI Models Face Collapse If They Overdose On Their Own Output - Slashdot

According to a new study published in Nature, researchers found that training AI models using AI-generated datasets can lead to "model collapse," where models produce increasingly nonsensical outputs over generations. "In one example, a model started with a text about European architecture in the Mi...

Show threadehurtley Jul 26, 2024
@eff Or quit that hellsite run by a fascist.
Show threadToddZ ⓋJul 26, 2024
@eff Seems a good time to mention https://deletetwitter.com/
Delete Twitter

Twitter was often a powerful tool for good, despite its numerous vices. It's time to figure out what comes next..

Show threadAnni writes super-good books!Jul 26, 2024

@eff

better get off the platform completly.

Show threadDeusJul 26, 2024
@eff Delete it and only use it through the web browser. Saved you some steps.
Show threadTonyJul 26, 2024
@eff that is not a settings option in Australia?
Show threadBerbyqJul 26, 2024
@AWStephen @eff Or Canada as far as i can tell.
Show threadVictor 4X6GPJul 27, 2024
@AWStephen @eff
Not here in Israel either.
Show threadPatrick WD9EWK/VA7EWKJul 28, 2024
@4X6GP @AWStephen @eff I could not change that setting through the app. Logged in from a desktop browser, and I could get to the setting.
Show threadVictor 4X6GPJul 28, 2024
@wd9ewk @AWStephen @eff
Yes, it works!
How sneaky this was. I thought we could trust Elon.
Show threadJoeJul 26, 2024
@eff
I think you mean “to ask x to turn off…” Its not like X can be trusted to actually do what it claims.
Worse still, the page that you link to avoids saying what unchecking the box actually does.
Show threadSuperdave!Jul 26, 2024
@eff @bikepedantic Not that I use it, but, how would one turn off the sharing in the smart phone app?
Show threaddannyj991Jul 26, 2024
@eff That seems like a REALLY bad idea. There is just so much wrong and biased information on X, I can't imagine any of it helping an LLM improve it's accuracy.
Show threadDr. Evil EngineerJul 26, 2024
@eff X can glady use my shit posts to train their AI. That dumpster fire can only get worse.
Show threadKarl StanleyJul 26, 2024
@eff I can’t believe the biggest asshole on the Internet would do something like this
Show threadLuna chanJul 26, 2024
@eff Yah I turned it off and clicked the delete data button.
Show threadHarry KaradimasJul 26, 2024
@eff Nope, done with X since 1 1/2 year and never looked back.
Show threadpa28Jul 26, 2024
@eff having just abandoned the X app for the browser version (yes, I know, still sub-optimal) for the second time I’m not surprised they won’t allow app users to opt out. Musk has created a company in the image of a 5 year old who won’t stop riding the sleigh until they break through the fence, enter the road and get run over.
Show threadDoubleBlindJul 26, 2024

@eff

Can nazi any issue with using that population as a training dataset...

Show threadChairman SteveJul 26, 2024

@eff

The Sheeple. God bless em, tamely being fleeced by Elon.

Show threadJules 🍺Jul 26, 2024
@eff I can't even get in to do that without giving them a dob, not sure why they are so determined to get that.
Show threadAndrew 🌻 Brandt 🐇Jul 26, 2024
@eff Afterward, protip: lock your account and stop using X altogether
Show threadottawasteph 🕊️Jul 27, 2024
@eff Done! thx
Show threadDirty HippieJul 27, 2024
@eff Thanks for this wonderful tip! I still have 13 accounts over there, and turned this off for all of them.
Show threadПротест и сопротивлениеJul 27, 2024

@eff I'm no longer on Twitter. Yes, it was painful to leave after nearly 7 years, but Musk has turned it into yet another "truth social", i.e. a gigantic mouthpiece of the far-right propaganda.

Everything from the endless hordes of "blue-check" trollbots to "community notes" is just one never-ending stream of the Nazi nonsense now.

Show threadCanadian CroneJul 27, 2024
@eff Or better yet, don’t frequent the Nazi bar.