OsamaSalahJul 6, 2024
ward
Let's stop using the term, "ai art," and start saying, "ai content."

They want us to call our work, "content," and they want us to call their junk, "art." No.
#aiart
Apr 18, 2024 at 11:19pmWeb
Show threadwardApr 19, 2024
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Show threadbroccoliccoliApr 19, 2024
@ward AI content is already kinda taken by generative text. While AI Art is meh we should be acknowledging that it's still miles better than the shit endless AI text is enabling right now.
Show threadwardApr 19, 2024
@broccoliccoli I think it can be a blanket term for all ai stuff... which is what most art has become to the tech bros and executives in charge... They call movies, blogs, new TV shows, and tiktok/youtube videos, "content." So, I'm ok calling all ai stuff, "content," as well.
Show threadjan Ki | 奇  Apr 19, 2024
@ward
"stuff generated by statistically extrapolating algorithms based on plagiarism"
Show threadbituur esztreymApr 19, 2024
@ward
or just "ai output"
Show thread🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣Apr 19, 2024

@bituur_esztreym You can as well remove the "intelligence" from it. It actually doesn't understand shit at whatever it's doing.

So t's more like dumb-machine output.

@ward

Show threadbituur esztreymApr 20, 2024
@devnull @ward
oh yeah. promoted, hyped, by soo Ineffective AI-truisms, on top of that..
Show threadD. G. MarshallApr 19, 2024

@ward

"A.I." content?

May I suggest "discontent"?

Or "malcontent"?

Show threadDagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥Apr 19, 2024
@ward
Completely agree!
Show threadBex B. Sc.Apr 19, 2024
@ward shout it from the rooftops! Louder for the people in the back!
Show threadKate WatsonApr 19, 2024
@ward Hard agree:
https://loreandordure.com/2024/03/19/204-no-content/
204 No Content

This website contains no content. None at all. And neither should yours.

Lore and Ordure
Show threadkætApr 19, 2024
@ward I'm going with "AI Product" for now.
Show threadFCLCApr 19, 2024
@ward ai sludge is another option I’ve taken to 😊
Show threadNed YeungApr 19, 2024
@ward Yup, as a human being and creative professional, my designs are often called "content" or "documents"... lol.
Show threadMarcos DioneApr 19, 2024
@ward "AI output"?
Show threadDark Photon StudioApr 19, 2024
@ward I guess that depends on what you mean by "they". From what I've seen, it's largely nerds making pictures of "waifus", hentai, and Batman. But there are serious artists working with AI. Rob Sheridan for example: https://www.rob-sheridan.com. I also consider myself a serious artist. I do traditional painting, but I also experiment with AI generated imagery. Does that make us villains?
Show threadwardApr 19, 2024
@shanesemler My main thing is that I'm just not interested because AI can have no artistic intent... The final product may be interesting in some way... and the viewer may feel something when looking at it, but I'm generally interested in the human expressions. Typing words into a prompt isn't enough to qualify as human expression because ai is creating the image for you. If you want to do it for fun and you enjoy it, by all means, you do you. However, I'll call it content and ignore it even if it is somewhat visually interesting to me.

I'd rather look at something similar that was created by a human because they actually are putting their experiences into the work... even if the human is borrowing ideas from other artists... it's still the personification of their own feelings.

If we create ai that actually understands what it's doing... and can express things... then I may be interested, though I don't think it will make much sense to us humans... We anthropomorphize everything... But anyway... bottom line, do whatever you want. I'm only interested in the art that you create.
Show threadDark Photon StudioApr 19, 2024
@ward I get what you’re saying but what if I alter it in photoshop, does that make it mine? There are online apps that allow you to paint in real time and have the ai fill in the detail. Is that mine? You know what I mean, where do you draw the line?
Show threadwardApr 19, 2024
@shanesemler I look at this like I look at ai code. I do not see a few lines of code as art... or if you tell ai to write a fucntion or something... not art... but as a whole composition, it can be art... because the code was arranged. So, if you use ai to generate a bunch of random bits of code then use that to build a game yourself. I think that can be art. I feel the same for ai... if you generate a bunch of stuff and heavily edit it to make a collage or if you mix it into something that you create yourself... it's similar to cutting a bunch of stuff out of a magazine then transforming it into something that you arrange yourself. I'm not interested in that in any form, but some may be... as for editing a single image in photoshop... it would have to be a total transformation... just cleaning up the ugly hands of fixing errors isn't enough for me... but to each their own.
Show threadsabikApr 19, 2024

@ward @shanesemler
There's definitely art involving AI, where the art comes from the human and the AI is the tool they use

Which is the distinction, the art comes from the human, not from the machine

Show threadwardApr 20, 2024
@sabik @shanesemler I can agree to an extent. However, it has to be more than typing words into a prompt. If I send a paragraph to an artist and ask them to draw something for me, I am not the artist... they are... but ai isn't human, so that same paragraph given to ai means the content was created by nobody... ai has no artistic input... if a human takes that and transforms it into something of their own, then we can talk about that being art... I'm not interested in it, but maybe we can call it art of some sort.
Show threadViktoria D. Richards/UddelhexeApr 21, 2024

@shanesemler @ward

Using fotoshop tools like any other medium is not "using AI".

Using an effect tool is not either, cause it does not change the nature of the basic illustration and the input, thoughtprocess and usage is completly controlled by the human. It is just a medium.

But if someone just draws half the background/character and tells the computer: Fill in the rest of the picture in the same style: that is "AI" use and for me that would be the line. Same for: change into style XYZ.

Show threadDark Photon StudioApr 21, 2024
@v_d_richards @ward I don't agree with any of your points. The only reason any of this is an issue is because of capitalism. Artists are fighting the battles for big corporations.
Show threadViktoria D. Richards/UddelhexeApr 21, 2024

@shanesemler @ward

If someone uses Midjourney and Co: yes. Cause one supports arttheft from fellow artists, whose art gets stolen, fed into this algorithms and mixed together without their consent.

I do not consider someone using Midjourney an Co. as an artist or i would have to consider people who commission art from me, give me written prompts, as the artists of my work. They are not. I am.

Using Algorithms to do something one cannot yet do by themsleves has no artistic value for me.

Show threadJorkin MahJongusApr 19, 2024
@ward I'm calling it PISS from here on out: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@stunder/112293480292078612
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Show threadWestern InfidelsApr 19, 2024
@ward "AIdiocracy"
Show threadDarwin WoodkaApr 19, 2024

@ward I just say "ai junk" as in "Don't get that AI junk in my feeds or I'm blocking your ass"

Also horribly pissed at Amazon for putting their AI junk into kindle recs and ruining them forever.

Show threadDavid NashApr 19, 2024

@ward "Pasteurized Processed AI Content Product".

Analogous to Cheese Whiz, but without even the minimal nutritive value.

Show threadphryk 🏴Apr 19, 2024
@ward I'm currently rewriting my website and one of the changes I've already made was renaming the "Curated content" section to "Curated art". Sufficient to say, there's not going to be any AI content in it. 
Show threadoZZApr 19, 2024

@ward Ask the crypto people how they managed to not lose "crypto" to some casino bros.

SPOILER: They didn't.

Show threadnoëlle (encoded in AAC)Apr 20, 2024
@ward it ain't ai either
Show threadwardApr 20, 2024
@jannuary you're 100% right. I just get tired of explaining LLMs to people... Also... I love your Nene avatar!
Show threadnoëlle (encoded in AAC)Apr 20, 2024
@ward ❤️
Show threadkeschi   ΘJul 6, 2024
@ward @jannuary (in this case, diffusion models. but yes)
Show threadKokoApr 20, 2024
@ward what the fuck, AI content relies on stolen artworks, imagine just calling them "content"
Show threadnigelApr 20, 2024
Good call. I hadn't considered that wording, and yeah... it sickens me we (the general populace) just go along with it.

Words have meanings.
Show threadari Apr 20, 2024

@ward no, it's not "ai". it's "piss" - plagiarized information synthesis system

(don't attribute this quote to me; seen it elsewhere but don't remember where)

Show threadTheis HoltzApr 20, 2024
@ward I feel you are being too kind, calling it content.
Show threadKernApr 20, 2024
@ward I don't think quality is the best basis for critique; it becomes irrelevant the moment one can point to a single good image. And these tools already can and do generate cool looking things... I'm not saying its right. But "AI bad because ugly" just doesnt hold water
Show threadwardJul 6, 2024
@kern who said anything about quality? They call basically everything we do, "content." Executives say, "we need to produce more Netflix content." Game companies say, "Our team has created loads of content." YouTube says, "You are all content creators." It's about who is creating the work and what their intent is. AI has no perspective, no intent, and no understanding of what it is doing. So, calling ai generated stuff, "art," and calling human-made stuff, "content," is extremely perverse. The only people who want to call ai stuff, "art," are the people who are unwilling to put in the work to make art themselves. Generate whatever you want and if you enjoy it, cool. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you are making art. There are no shortcuts and ai-enthusiests don't get to call their ai content, "art."
Show threadKernJul 7, 2024
@ward Yeah I know that: https://kersed.net/blog/on-content/
But it still stands that if you critique AI on some qualitative or merit basis it's just going to be blurred or surpassed at some point. Like how people used to say autotune isnt real singing, now it's an accepted staple technique of pop music. By saying "AI is bad because x" youre only implying "AI will be good once it's no longer x".
On 'Content'

Why's it become so unsettling to be left alone with our thoughts - without a song, show, or stream running in the background?

Kersed
Show threadwardJul 9, 2024
@kern again... I don't know who said anything about quality... I did not mention it. So, who are you arguing with? AI has no perspective, no experiences to draw from, and can, therefore, not express itself at all. I'm not interested in quantifying quality or anything like that. I'm interested in the human experience and those humans using art to express themselves. That is the antithesis of what ai stuff is. AI can not express itself and it does not understand its own output. So, that is how I will judge it's value. We would need real, actual ai (not this LLM stuff) before we can have ai that can truly express itself. At which time, it will be more interesting.
Show threadShamarApr 20, 2024

@ward

I prefer "output of statistically programmed software".

First, there is no #AI out there.

Second, its output is not a "content" as it does not carry a meaning (despite being designed to fool human meaning-seeking mind).

Show threadExindivApr 20, 2024
@ward I've been using "images" but "content" hits better.
Show threadmirabilosApr 20, 2024

@ward AI output. I’m not even willing to consider it content, let alone art.

I like some of the other options from the replies, too…

Show threadMrs BeanbagApr 20, 2024
@ward have been calling it "fake art" lately. maybe we can go for "fake content" for a double whammy
Show threadNumberzApr 20, 2024
@ward This is honestly a really sensible solution and easy to change up in my regular language.
Show threadJukka 💚🏳️‍🌈🇵🇸🇺🇦Apr 20, 2024
@ward Artist using AI tools can well call it art, this not a binary thing.
Show threadRobert LinkApr 20, 2024
@ward "Pseudo-random formulaic content."
Show threadDr. Moritz LehmannApr 20, 2024
@ward it's not even content. Most of it is AI plagiates.
Show threadPaulApr 20, 2024
@ward My take on AI ‘art’:
if a human can’t be bothered to create something, why should I, a human, bother consume it.
Show threadZoidberg For PresidentApr 20, 2024

@ward More like "semi-randomized content".

But I totally understand your point.

Show threadPeteApr 21, 2024
@ward good point. Art is something created with imagination. AI has none of that; it just has regurgitation.
Show threadErik Uden 🚩Apr 21, 2024
Anything AI synergizes is pixel soup, it has nothing to do with art only if your understanding of the world is as shallow and superficial as it can be.
Show thread.Apr 21, 2024
@ErikUden I am a Low-Effort-Prompt-Engineer and i love my pixel soups. 🤨
Show threadDark Photon StudioApr 21, 2024
@ErikUden art is whatever appeals to the viewer. Whether it's an old master painting, a blank wall, or pixel soup. I have many reservations concerning AI, but I won't try to tell someone else what they find appealing artistically is shit.
Show threadMeltingPenguins 🍉🤠Apr 21, 2024
@ErikUden
https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelArt/comments/12x37wk/tomato_soup_first_attempt_at_pixel_art_and_i/ also ich finde pixel soup ist schon kunst :3 *klugscheiß*
Show threadErik Uden 🚩Apr 21, 2024
@meltingpenguins 
Show threadMeltingPenguins 🍉🤠Apr 21, 2024
@ErikUden abgesehn davon: KI kann noch nichtmal pixel-art (hab schon beispiele gesehn. wtf)
Show threadErik StrubApr 21, 2024
@ErikUden Artificial intelligence is the double negation of natural stupidity