wardApr 18, 2024
Let's stop using the term, "ai art," and start saying, "ai content."

They want us to call our work, "content," and they want us to call their junk, "art." No.
#aiart
Show threadDark Photon Studio
@ward I guess that depends on what you mean by "they". From what I've seen, it's largely nerds making pictures of "waifus", hentai, and Batman. But there are serious artists working with AI. Rob Sheridan for example: https://www.rob-sheridan.com. I also consider myself a serious artist. I do traditional painting, but I also experiment with AI generated imagery. Does that make us villains?
Apr 19, 2024 at 4:27pmWeb
Show threadwardApr 19, 2024
@shanesemler My main thing is that I'm just not interested because AI can have no artistic intent... The final product may be interesting in some way... and the viewer may feel something when looking at it, but I'm generally interested in the human expressions. Typing words into a prompt isn't enough to qualify as human expression because ai is creating the image for you. If you want to do it for fun and you enjoy it, by all means, you do you. However, I'll call it content and ignore it even if it is somewhat visually interesting to me.

I'd rather look at something similar that was created by a human because they actually are putting their experiences into the work... even if the human is borrowing ideas from other artists... it's still the personification of their own feelings.

If we create ai that actually understands what it's doing... and can express things... then I may be interested, though I don't think it will make much sense to us humans... We anthropomorphize everything... But anyway... bottom line, do whatever you want. I'm only interested in the art that you create.
Show threadDark Photon StudioApr 19, 2024
@ward I get what you’re saying but what if I alter it in photoshop, does that make it mine? There are online apps that allow you to paint in real time and have the ai fill in the detail. Is that mine? You know what I mean, where do you draw the line?
Show threadwardApr 19, 2024
@shanesemler I look at this like I look at ai code. I do not see a few lines of code as art... or if you tell ai to write a fucntion or something... not art... but as a whole composition, it can be art... because the code was arranged. So, if you use ai to generate a bunch of random bits of code then use that to build a game yourself. I think that can be art. I feel the same for ai... if you generate a bunch of stuff and heavily edit it to make a collage or if you mix it into something that you create yourself... it's similar to cutting a bunch of stuff out of a magazine then transforming it into something that you arrange yourself. I'm not interested in that in any form, but some may be... as for editing a single image in photoshop... it would have to be a total transformation... just cleaning up the ugly hands of fixing errors isn't enough for me... but to each their own.
Show threadsabikApr 19, 2024

@ward @shanesemler
There's definitely art involving AI, where the art comes from the human and the AI is the tool they use

Which is the distinction, the art comes from the human, not from the machine

Show threadwardApr 20, 2024
@sabik @shanesemler I can agree to an extent. However, it has to be more than typing words into a prompt. If I send a paragraph to an artist and ask them to draw something for me, I am not the artist... they are... but ai isn't human, so that same paragraph given to ai means the content was created by nobody... ai has no artistic input... if a human takes that and transforms it into something of their own, then we can talk about that being art... I'm not interested in it, but maybe we can call it art of some sort.
Show threadViktoria D. Richards/UddelhexeApr 21, 2024

@shanesemler @ward

Using fotoshop tools like any other medium is not "using AI".

Using an effect tool is not either, cause it does not change the nature of the basic illustration and the input, thoughtprocess and usage is completly controlled by the human. It is just a medium.

But if someone just draws half the background/character and tells the computer: Fill in the rest of the picture in the same style: that is "AI" use and for me that would be the line. Same for: change into style XYZ.

Show threadDark Photon StudioApr 21, 2024
@v_d_richards @ward I don't agree with any of your points. The only reason any of this is an issue is because of capitalism. Artists are fighting the battles for big corporations.
Show threadViktoria D. Richards/UddelhexeApr 21, 2024

@shanesemler @ward

If someone uses Midjourney and Co: yes. Cause one supports arttheft from fellow artists, whose art gets stolen, fed into this algorithms and mixed together without their consent.

I do not consider someone using Midjourney an Co. as an artist or i would have to consider people who commission art from me, give me written prompts, as the artists of my work. They are not. I am.

Using Algorithms to do something one cannot yet do by themsleves has no artistic value for me.