…before you hand your lean browser hopes to andreas kling, remember that the dude is a transphobe who hides his transphobia behind the ā€œthis is political and thus should not have place hereā€ language.

for example, andreas kling thinks that asking to use inclusive or gender-neutral language is, and i quote, ā€œadvertising one's personal politicsā€ and thus not an appropriate request to be made towards a project.

Gender neutral language within build instructions by Tunas1337 Ā· Pull Request #6814 Ā· SerenityOS/serenity

It's a minor nitpick, but I think it's important; assuming the user and/or developer of the operating system is male isn't exactly the best.

GitHub
(with thanks to people in a discord channel who pointed that out)

@mawhrin When someone tells you that they're ā€œapoliticalā€ this means that they're hiding their politics for some reason.

Edit: having ā€œladyā€ in the name makes this twice ironic.
Edit 2: also-also saying that the browser is ā€œtruly independentā€ makes me facepalm. And now I'm really tempted to troll about the name.

@mawhrin It’s more likely to be sexism than transphobia (although I’m sure that’s included). He thinks that it’s ā€œneutralā€ to assume that a developer is male and that assuming that a developer might *anything else* is political. The scary thing for me is that his comment got more upvotes than downvotes.

@mawhrin as one of the few trans* and more queer authors of SerenityOS I want to express my concern with calling Andreas a transphobe over that.

I think my friend and fellow trans* SerenityOS author @filmroellchen summed it up best in her recent blog post about Andreas stepping down as BDFL: https://filmroellchen.eu/blog/serenityos-changes/

Regarding the Summer 2024 SerenityOS leadership changes

kleines Filmrƶllchen’s home page
@mawhrin @filmroellchen what I think is definitely appropriate to criticize is calling ladybird "unpolitical software". All software is political and I would like Andreas to recognize that
@networkexception @mawhrin From very briefly looking at this stuff, he seems like the very typical privileged dude who thinks the system is fair because the system has always privileged him. Disregarding if his specific flavor is more "transphobe" or more "vanilla sexist", his behavior has a bad vibe to it, and makes him look like all the other privileged dudes who make up like 90% of the whole problem.
@networkexception @mawhrin @filmroellchen ok so from that post it sounds like he stepped down as BDFL of serenityos but that post pretty clearly states that he is by far the biggest contributor to the ladybird browser which is what OP was concerned about and specifically mentioned? brendan eich had a queer eng working on brave at one point too and tagged her whenever anyone mentioned his campaign of homophobia on twitter. it sounds like your concern is more about making it clear that serenityos is not besmirched by his presence?
@hipsterelectron @networkexception @mawhrin and this is exactly why i put it CLEARLY in my post that I do NOT, NEVER accuse Andreas Kling of transphobia. Because that has NOTHING to do with his involvement in either SerenityOS or Ladybird. He's Not Transphobic, He's Mildly Misinformed, have I made myself clear enough? Stop twisting my words, please.
@filmroellchen not clear where i twisted your words, i was asking to clarify that you were referring to serenityos and not the ladybird browser. i did not say nor even imply that you accused anyone of transphobia.
@networkexception @mawhrin @filmroellchen that sounds... pretty bad imo (idk, roughly Zig level of bad (maybe a bit more or less (considering the amount of Pepe memes in Zig discussion channels)?)
@mawhrin Oh come on, can’t we have a single nice thing in this world
@mawhrin Also, IT is inherently political

@ozzelot Everything is political, if you look at it for a few minutes (having critical or materialism theory with you helps).

@mawhrin

@mawhrin ah good timing, i was just wondering if i was remembering wrong or what but nope i wasn't
@mawhrin this is blatantly unfair towards Andreas.
@filmroellchen @mawhrin What is unfair? That this specific answer only shows use of sexist language and not transphobic language?
@filmroellchen @mawhrin sorry but based on *your own* blog post about the situation, he seems pretty transphobic to me
@mawhrin god fuckin dammit we can’t ever have nice things can we
@mawhrin Seriously, if someone chooses "awesome-surname" as their social media handle, do you really expect awesomeness or rather its opposite?

@mawhrin Ah yes, keeping politics out of the political software movement. šŸ™ƒ

Funny how it's always "personal politics" when it clashes with a right-winger's worldview.

@mawhrin wow - he could have just ignored it, but he decided to take a stand. To be honest I don’t bother to much about using gender neutral language myself (mostly happens automatically for me anyway at Least in English) but if someone went ahead and did it for me and all I had to do was hit ok - wow. Just wow. Even otherwise intelligent people are getting brainrott from this culture war bs.
@mawhrin what gets me about his "reasoning" is that assuming that not everyone is male is "a political belief", but assuming that everyone is in fact male is not? What a jackass.
@mawhrin Good call sharing this. I thought this was broadly understood. The guy's a huge piece of shit on a lot of levels, and it's not subtle at all.
@mawhrin Was wondering how quickly Ladybird would somehow find itself being Milkshake Ducked, wasn't counting on it being this soon.
@mawhrin That’s a big claim considering the actual exchange that took place under that commit.

@jankais3r find me an example for preferring non-inclusive language in a software project where it's not directly motivated by prejudice.

now ask yourself a hypothetical question, would you – what would motivate you to call a change from male-by-default to gender-neutral language an expression of ā€œpersonal politicsā€ that should not take place in a software project?

@mawhrin The sentence in question (ā€œTo prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and he will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`.ā€) does not even refer to a user-person, it refers to a user-account. So if we want to be pedantic, the sentence should use ā€œitā€.

Hence, I am not surprised that a pull request from a total stranger that contributes nothing to the project besides an equally incorrect pronoun use compared to the current state is perceived as bad faith effort by the maintainer.

In general, we should avoid putting labels on people based on our assumptions if not 100% backed up by their actions.

@jankais3r the sentence refers to the person using the system; it is useful to remember that the operating systems are not abstractions, they're written to be used by people.

(my reply here states my position and does not indicate that i'm interested in debating or litigating the issue; if you feel compelled to continue, please remove me from the mentions. thank you in advance.)

Sorry .. don't get me wrong but ... i don't get it.

Sure, what you're asking is legitimate.. no questions about this.

But why do you need to bother ppl with _feature_ request instead of reworking the code and documentation by sourself and just submitting a pull request to get it integrated?

I'm not just an ally but lgbtqia+ too ... but why should i or some random dev do the work for you?

Meanwhile 90 % of web pages use a weekend invention by Brendan Eich. That Brandan Eich that later gave money to a homophobic political protest.

@mawhrin I'm not remotely surprised. Ever since I learned about his "no politics" rule and the fact that he laughs at codes of conduct (he made a joke COC for Serenity then deleted it claiming it "was for a problem that didn't exist) his whole demeanor started to rub me the wrong way.

I made this toot a few days ago, primarily for posterity, because when the other shoe drops I want to be able to say "I told you so" (purely for egotistical reasons):

https://mastodon.social/@christmastree/112665451706240570