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@bontchev @nitot All filter by #whoogle :-)
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https://github.com/benbusby/whoogle-search
I just checked if the "I fell I'm lucky" button was still there on Google...
Yes, and it still works as expected !
That's not a good enough reason to use Google search engine (not been using it for years now, that's why I checked).
Interestingly, only yesterday Mastodon taught me all about St. Bernard and the accuracy of lactation:
Attached: 1 image It's been a while since we've shown you a weird fad in medieval Christian art, so here's one you might enjoy - Lactatio Bernardi: The Lactation of St Bernard. Date unknown, courtesy of Bodleian Library.
@nafnlaus @jinglepostman @bontchev
This is what I got too.
@bontchev Not sure that is true
it used to be
"Something really interesting you never knew about related thing", oops an hour later try the next link
"Thing you want"
@etchedpixels @bontchev That's closer, yeah. I used to see a lot of results that weren't really what I was after (and sometimes were wrong or completely unrelated).
The image did get right that the same basic thing is pretty much just pushed under AI, ads, etc.
Old School Google Die Älteren werden sich erinnern, dass man früher von Google einfach eine Liste von Treffern bekam. Dann wurde die Ergebnisseite immer weiter möbliert und mit Werbung garniert. Was wäre, wenn ich Euch erzähle, dass es das immer noch gibt? Könnt Ihr selbst probieren. Geht einfach in die URL einer Ergebnisseite und hängt dort einen weiteren Parameter an: udm=14 Links seht Ihr Google 2014, rechts Google 2024: https://vowe.net/2024/05/20/old-school-google/ #google
It’s awful!
@hitsuyonai @bontchev AltaVista was garbage, which is why everyone jumped ship to Google. Pre-pagerank search was just awful.
And no, the internet was never devoid of SEO. In fact, SEO used to be FAR easier before Pagerank. Even in the early days of pagerank, people immediately started gaming the system by loading each other's pages up with mutual links to climb the graph.
People need to stop looking at the past through rose-coloured glasses. The early internet was terrible.
@hitsuyonai @bontchev Some history on SEO.
The internet was awash in it. Pagerank did an awful lot to push it down, though it's required continual refinements.
The very reason we have Google today as a giant megacorp was because they introduced the first relatively effective anti-SEO technique, onto a web flooded in SEO.
@hitsuyonai @bontchev Those links were usually dead. Search was so terrible that people created "webrings", which were themselves awful. There was not "little dross" - the internet was primarily dross. Useless corporate "We're On The Internet" PR sites, tons of hideous hand-edited HTML sites written by amateurs, and an endless sea of porn sites trying to bait in everyone from everywhere with SEO, deceptive links, banner ads, etc.
This is what the internet was like:
@hitsuyonai @bontchev Don't get me wrong, I have fond memories from the era. It was a new frontier. New things you can accomplish. A whole new world at your fingertips.
But by modern standards, it was unambiguously awful. People then would have gone *crazy* over access to something like our modern internet.
@nafnlaus @bontchev
have a look at this list, and tell me which ones you don't like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_founded_before_1995
AltaVista started in 1995. They might have played an inadvertent role in aiding the enshitification of the web, but pagerank was more eaily gamed than AltaVista's 'near' keyword.
The beancounters of UK academia went for remarkably similar idiocy to pagerank.
Google won because the management of DEC, the second biggest computer hardware manufacture on earth at the time, were muppets.
@hitsuyonai @bontchev This has to be a joke. A list of websites from before 1995 as some sort of proof? There were an estimated 23,5k websites in 1995. How many of them are on your list? Almost none. Because they were rubbish.
And the ones that were there? Let's just pick a random one. Apple is seen as a paragon of style and user-friendly convenience, so let's bias the comparison and look up what their website was like.
Lol.
@hitsuyonai @bontchev I'm sure you went there for "Apple Site Of The Day" or "Success Story #182", right?
Vs. today (I just moused over iPhone, pretending that's what I was interested in)
@woody @bontchev @hitsuyonai Email that worked on the early web, are you kidding me? I administered an email server at the time, it was a bloody nightmare. How have you memory holed the whole "confirmation emails often take hours to arrive if they ever even arrive at all" thing? And early spam filters were way worse than today, if you even had access to one at all.
MUDs and MOOs were certainly *fun*, mind you :) I had even more fun as a coder. LP MUD all the way - objects are OBJECTS!
"There weren't spam filters in the early Internet, because there wasn't spam on the early Internet."
As someone who administered an email server, I don't think I can even read past this retcon. How can you have been alive then and not remember all the endless spam? People gathered emails everywhere and sent it *en masse*. After a trip to Japan where I had stayed at hostels, and some required email address, all of the sudden I got a new flood of spam *in Japanese*
CATPCHAs started being introduced in 2000 to fight the growing spam problem.
There's surely a higher total percentage of email volume as spam now (though the CAN-SPAM act helped shift a lot of it to semi-legit things with opt-outs), but the far less common / poorer implementation of filtration back then meant that you saw a lot more of it.
NYT article from 1995:
i kinda use chatgpt for everything anymore..
if it's something in a field i am totally clued out about, I will ask someone i know who is an expert..
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