OK #Linux community, listen up.

MS have done it again and people are looking for a way out.

DON'T TREAT NEWBIES LIKE SHIT.

DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE FOR ASKING QUESTIONS.

DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE FOR HAVING PROBLEMS.

DON'T TELL PEOPLE TO "GOOGLE IT" WHEN THEY COULDN'T POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT TO SEARCH FOR, OR HOW TO INTERPRET THE RESULTS THEY'D FIND.

DON'T BE A DICK.

@PurpleJillybeans If you're *really* enterprising set up Linux classes at your local library.
@PurpleJillybeans don't make terminal some kind of purity test
@PurpleJillybeans Linux noob here. Thanks!
@DesultoryLogic @PurpleJillybeans hey, feel free to poke me if you have any Linux questions.
@PurpleJillybeans We need to emphasize that (a) you can run Linux from a usb live (or DVD more slowly) and (b) some distros will dual boot with Windows (until you are happy to renounce Windows). There also needs to be a friendly place for questions (other than Distrowatch which is too advanced).

@PurpleJillybeans In the spirit of this post, is anyone down to doing a sort of Mastodon #LinuxOfficeHour ?
I've been using #Linux for a bit, and feel I at least know what to search for when I encounter an issue. I'd be happy to help folks who want to dip their toes in.

(Sorry if this is hijacking your post, I'll delete this post if that is the case)

@PurpleJillybeans how'd you know I was looking at linux, for my next or current pc

@PurpleJillybeans

Best thing I did was to get a computer built with #Linux in mind. There's more of them besides Emporer Linux, System76, and Dell now.

So depends on what you use the computer for too. There is proprietary vendor lock-in and SAAS that will only work on Windows or Macs.

Tried Libre Office (Open Office back then) on Windows first and email was online. Easy to switch with just those. Video editing was the only thing stopping me until KDEnlive.

Gaming is different, though.

@cainmark @PurpleJillybeans Steam is getting pretty good (although I only really play older stuff)
@sideshow_jim @cainmark Even as little as a year ago, gaming on Linux was a bigger problem than it is now. I have a Win10 partition on my main desktop that I used to use for gaming, but nowadays Proton and Wine work so well that I never use it even for that anymore.
@PurpleJillybeans @sideshow_jim @cainmark yeah it's been a while since I simply could not play a game because I use Linux, then again I don't sample tons of games so I'm sure there's a few out there that would cause me problems. But as you said, i never even have to use Wine because Proton pretty much handles what I need it to. 🤷
@PurpleJillybeans @sideshow_jim @cainmark it’s shockingly good with Proton and Wine pushing the boundaries. It’s surprising how much better my Steamdeck plays most games better than my MacBook Pro with significantly more powerful hardware.

@PurpleJillybeans

Most frustrating for me was learning about graphics cards and how they can sometimes just not work (under Windows too) for no discernable reason.

@PurpleJillybeans "Don't be a dick" is always a good rule. It should be pretty much your FIRST rule.

@PurpleJillybeans They will most certainly find, in their Google search, your “go ask Google” taunt.

I remember trying to use one distro back in the day:

ME: I think this difficulty is due to a bug?
2nd IN COMMAND AT DISTRO: It’s not a bug if you’re the only one experiencing the problem.
EPONYMOUS LEADER OF DISTRO: Known Debian bug.

@PurpleJillybeans what I would like is a nice simple guide to installing a linux flavour, and how to add the various bit needed on top.

Yes I know part of linux is its diversity, but I stopped messing with software and os's 20 years ago.

@Thebratdragon @PurpleJillybeans the modern popular distros (Mint, Debian, Ubuntu) have really sleek graphical interfaces throughout setup. They even help you dual boot if you want to keep your windows system (just make sure windows is installed first! It usually is but I've done it backwards before with Linux first & windows won't allow it lol)

@Thebratdragon @PurpleJillybeans I always suggest doing some experimentation and dry install runs in VirtualBox first for this reason.

A lot of Linux installation disks have a nice GUI that guides you through installation, and things like formatting are the same as they always were. You just get a graphical UI to do the partitioning, instead of going through a program like fdisk. Gnome partition manager is better than any commercial partitioning package ever in my opinion, and I'd do the partitioning there and just point the installer to the partitions you like.

The big considerations are things like:
* Do you want the latest versions of software (Arch and Fedora branches), or the most stable and tested versions (Debian branches)?
* How do you want your desktop environment to function? Mac-like or Windows-like or something else? I recently found out that the Silicon Graphics Irix desktop in in the repo (It doesn't work well...) you have too many choices!
* Do you have Nvidia Graphics? Nvidia and their driver blobs are what Linus Torvalds was talking about when the famous picture of him flipping dual-birds was taken. Nvidia can be made to work, but it's an unnecessarily painful experience compared to Intel/AMD graphics. You'll find similar issues with other devices made by companies with similar mindsets.
* Do you want things like the OS being immutable or any other special features?

It's a lot, but it's part of why it is so loved. An Arch user can download a tiny netboot file and download the most minimal system to ram, and go from a text-mode shell to a fully featured and completely customized system with everything just how they want it in an hour or two. I'm not suggesting starting with Arch,  just how far this can go.

Linux Mint non-rolling would be my suggestion for something to start with. It's Debian branch, which is pretty kind to new users. It's a grandchild of Debian and child of Ubuntu, which means you get some of the newer stuff from Ubuntu and Ubuntu/Debian .deb software packages will work with it. On the other hand, it has the proprietary Nvidia drivers (although, possiblity a version of two behind) on the install disk and has a couple of spins with the most commonly used and popular desktop environments.

Hopefully I've been helpful in giving you a little bit of useful knowledge. Some of this is my opinion, but hopefully useful opinions 

@PurpleJillybeans The fact that we need to remind our community about what should be basic human decency is part of the reason why The Year of Desktop Linux™ keeps not happening. >.<

We gotta do better folks.

@PurpleJillybeans this brings back, in mental IMAX with Digital Surround Sound, my attempt at using Mandrake Linux a couple decades ago: get lost on endless dependency trails, read the FAQs and search the forums without success, put a concise request for help in the right part of the right forum, and get nothing but "LOL go back to playing with your little Windoze box if that's the kind of question you have to ask LOL luser LOL".

Sounds like not much change since then.

@PurpleJillybeans There are some really good options for beginners. Try Linux Mint, Tuxedo OS, Pop!_OS (when they come out with COSMIC), or maybe even OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
@PurpleJillybeans I don't pay much attention to the Windows world. Could I get a tl;dr on what happened there?
New Windows AI feature records everything you’ve done on your PC

Recall uses AI features “to take images of your active screen every few seconds.”…

Ars Technica

@PurpleJillybeans @ZaphodOfTexas > "As you might imagine, all this snapshot recording comes at a hardware penalty. To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU). There are also minimum storage requirements for running Recall, with a minimum of 256GB of hard drive space and 50GB of available space."

Sounds like it can't exactly be gently slipped under the hood -

@PurpleJillybeans @ZaphodOfTexas - but no doubt it will eventually be the windows 10 situation where you end up paying $10 trillion per month for security updates (or bending-and-spreading for a virus colonic, I guess).
@saxbrightwell @PurpleJillybeans Yeah, I noticed that. *Nobody* has a 40 TOPS NPU right now. Even the Apple M4 only pulls 38 TOPS. Maybe the Snapdragon X will do the trick, but we haven’t actually gotten our hands on those yet.

@PurpleJillybeans I try not to be a dick, and I also often try to be the person who tries to Google or DDG something before I tell someone else to do it, because sometimes, quite often, the search engines aren't helpful, and I'd rather vet an answer than tell someone off when they need help. I'm more than glad to help people find the answers they seek, and sometimes glad to debug the problems they're having.

Wish more people tried to be helpful. There are no dumb questions, because you didn't know that thing at one point and had to consult some authority of knowledge to learn it. Unless you invented the thing, in which case you *are* the authority on the subject, and need to teach lots of people about it.

@PurpleJillybeans (Especially when Google is getting worse by the day.)
@PurpleJillybeans especially since google doesnt work anymore

@PurpleJillybeans

It's a good sermon and ought to be heard by one and all -

- I came up under excellent Unix people who said nothing was more important, nothing would save more time, lead to better results - than to stop and teach someone how a task is done.

I believe, 40 years in the chair, that pair programming of new people gets them off to the right start.

@PurpleJillybeans yes yes yes yes yes and yes.

SHOW HUMILITY.
Linux UX really is a huge downgrade compared to Windows and abysmal compared to apple.

@PurpleJillybeans I've often said the linux community is the number one reason why linux isn't more widely adopted. We should be welcoming people and their questions, not acting like the sweaty nerds they think we are, gatekeeping things
@PurpleJillybeans I'm very, very happy to answer any and all questions about Linux that might be in my wheelhouse with as much or as little sass as the question haver wants.
@PurpleJillybeans (just do it like a food order: no spice, extra spicy, etc...)
@PurpleJillybeans can we just ignore or is that being a dick too?
@oook If you don't have an answer to a question or don't feel like answering, just scroll by.
@PurpleJillybeans especially do not tell people to "Google it" when Google has enshittified their web search in favor of a chatbot prompt

@PurpleJillybeans

we we're all newbies at one point, I always think about that

@PurpleJillybeans the Linux community is so jaded.
@PurpleJillybeans Any good resources for gaming on Linux? It's really the only reason I use windows and whenever I've heard people talk about it in the past it seemed way too complicated.

@necromantrix Steam Just Works™ for the most part. You'll install it from your distro's package collection, or from #Flathub if they don't have it. A lot of games support Linux natively; for the rest you can go to Manage > Properties > Compatibility > Force Steam Play compatibility to make it use Proton.

Try Heroic Games Launcher (available from Flathub) for GOG and Epic games. It will handle Wine automatically as needed.

@PurpleJillybeans @necromantrix I had a mixed experience with Heroic. Sometimes Lutris works better than Heroic, so maybe try it if some game doesn't work out of the box.

@necromantrix @PurpleJillybeans It's a little tossup... Maybe I should write a simple beginners guide to gaming on Linux. However, here's a short of what you need to know.

If the game is on Steam (or you add it to steam) and is steamdeck verified, it will run. Just enable compatibility tools in steam settings and done. If it's not verified, then check ProtonDB[1]. Most games work out of the box unless developers deliberately borked Proton.

Avoid Linux native ports unless the developer is committed. Otherwise they'll work worse than the windows version under Proton.

You've got games on Epic? Well, there's no official solution so you have to use either Heroic Launcher[2] (simpler but more limited) or Lutris[3] (more complex but very versatile). These work just fine.

If the game is on CD/DVD/other platform like Itch, I'd recommend using Lutris support for game installers. It is far easier than it looks.

Regarding news sources, there is fantastic @gamingonlinux

Generally gaming is far less deal breaker than professional software these days. Write down a list of your dealbreakers for yourself and if there's no red flags, try Linux and keep these pinguins sliding!

P. S. I'd recommend going for a big, well maintained distro. Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu. Debian might be annoying... Arch and Gentoo are far too much of a commitment or ducktaping, at least for my taste.

[1] https://www.protondb.com/
[2] https://heroicgameslauncher.com/
[3] https://lutris.net/

ProtonDB | Gaming know-how from the Linux and Steam Deck community

Game information for Proton, Linux, Steam Deck, and SteamOS

@necromantrix @PurpleJillybeans

Steam has a setting that let's you use a beta version of steam on Linux that creates a translation layer for running Windows games. They call it proton.

You can see all the games rated by compatability, and what tweaks needed to happen if rocky at protondb.com

@PurpleJillybeans This x 1,000.

(rec: Pop!OS is about as easy as can be, and I've met pretty much nobody in that scene who acted like an ass, which I am super-sensitive to.)

@PurpleJillybeans Corporate abuse of users by Microsoft is so bad at this point. Anyone in the Linux community who keeps on with the attitude of gatekeeping, or being hostile to noobs, or being smug about "normies" getting discouraged and going back to Windows, is acting on Microsoft's side. Not a good look.

It's more important than ever to help anyone you can to get to a computing situation where they're not being robbed and exploited. That's an honorable use of all the knowledge you've collected.

I've been using Linux every day since late 2018, and I've never compiled anything myself. There's no rules that say a user has to treat the OS like an arcane priesthood, to be deserving of using it. That might have been cool a decade ago but now it's holding things back.

@PurpleJillybeans

[applause]

Because some folks want an appliance, not another hobby, and that is OKAY.

@rmd1023 @PurpleJillybeans I love this response, because this is exactly what Linux is for me—I do most of my work on Windows, and most of my recreational computing on Apple platforms, but I have a RISC-V single-board computer and a half-dozen Linux VMs that I play around with as time allows, for no purpose other than tinkering and learning.
@PurpleJillybeans It’d be great to set up some sort of follow-the-sun Linux install and Q&A party where people stream Linux installations, tips and tricks, and answer questions, for several days. I’d be in.
@PurpleJillybeans this is a given, dont be rude to anyone for being new to something
@PurpleJillybeans dont forget there's also the possibility that someone has googled it and arrived at your message telling them to google it
@PurpleJillybeans is this about the entire "Recall AI" announcement thing? Because if so, not many people care about that. Realistically, we all know that that announcement was basically crap. They're even talking about needing specific types of hardware for it. In other words, if you need specialized top end hardware for it, then it basically doesn't exist on any present devices. And the fact they added "AI" to it just means it is more or less non-existent except in their lab somewhere.
@PurpleJillybeans Definitely telling people to Google it these days is a dreadful idea given how dreadful search is these days.
@PurpleJillybeans The only hard time I'll maybe give them is for waiting for it to get this bad before finally breaking down and actually doing something about it.
But I will be constructive with answers

@PurpleJillybeans @dyckron

Also, Windows refugees, please also, don't be a dick. You didn't pay for it, nobody is on staff to jump to your request, and thanks to twenty years of thankless exploitation by the so-called 'entrepreneurs' (aka hackers and hustlers) many have been soured by what was a labour of community love.

We are all in this together.

@PurpleJillybeans "don't be a dick" should be a general rule. Unfortunately, someone was nailed to a tree millennia ago for the same suggestion. Still I love the idea.