When I was in my early 20’s, I hustled my ass off. I worked 2 jobs and a side hustle. I drank 8 cups of coffee a day and popped No Doz pills to work at night.

And then I burned the fuck out. And crashed hard.
And it wasn’t worth it.

There’s a lot of folks who will tell you: “grind to the point of exhaustion. Chase wealth and rest later. Make work your only religion.”

That advice is poison. It will leave you broken and hurt and tired and alone.

It wasn’t easy to rebuild my life after that breakdown.

Years later - I don’t own a house. I’m not wealthy. By the standards of the Hustle Bros and Growth Hackers, I’d be called a failure.

But I do what I love, I’m passionate about my writing, and I have a partner and a kid who I adore. None of that came from sacrificing myself on the altar of the grind.

@Daojoan
Hey Joan I have a similar story, I thought that’s what we were supposed to do as well. I worked myself into my first burnout at 22 and then at 34…at 44 I think I’m pulling out of my burnout finally. Baby steps sooo not worth it. I just can’t live that way anymore. I do give time away. The only difference is I am the one choosing who to give my time to from now on.
While trying to pull myself up.
Cheers and sounds like you’re doing wonderful!

@Daojoan The saddest part is that the ‘hustle’ advice is touted as the way of success, but that one person was just lucky so it’s not even the reason for their success.

The everyday people touting ‘hustle hard’ are looking for a reason to excuse their behaviour. It also allows reclassification of stunk cost as personal investment.

The only sure fire way to get richer is to start rich as the more wealthy you are the easier it is.

Whatever you measure yourself by, you will be limited to. So don’t make it money. Make it love, kindness and joy.

You are. You are more successful now then ever.

@Daojoan A truly horrific property of that modus, is that you are absolutely deaf and blind to external warnings. Like, friends and family begging, screaming or reasoning with you to stop.

You just feel they are dragging you down, holding you back, in envy or incompetence.

So it’s not just you burning yourself, it’s a public spectacle where you burn yourself at the stake, with loved ones and others forced to watch.

@subm3rge @Daojoan I had no external warnings. This capitalistic career path was where I was directed by the people who should have cared about me.
@Daojoan the other thing I've realised over the years: this striving is considered a virtue, but at root it's nothing more than competition for resources

@wall0159 @Daojoan

In 1677, Spinoza identified greed and ambition as forms of insanity that were perceived as only annoying and contemptible. Erich Fromm notes how by 1955 they've lost even that mildly negative tinge. He calls these "socially patterned defects" "the pathology of normalcy".

https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1944/neurosis.htm

Frankfurt School: Individual and Social Origins of Neurosis. Erich Fromm 1944

@wall0159 @Daojoan

"The individual shares it with many others; he is not aware of it as a defect, and his security is not threatened by the experience of being different[.] What he may have lost in richness and in a genuine feeling of happiness is made up by the security of fitting in with the rest of mankind – as he knows them. As a matter of fact, his very defect may have been raised to a virtue by his culture and thus give him an enhanced feeling of achievement."

@Daojoan I pulled 90 hour weeks thinking that you were supposed to do that in your early 20s.

Then I fell asleep while driving. Ended up in a field by the highway, thankfully... No one else around.

Sacrificing other people's safety (and your own) for some 'hard work' bullshit that doesn't really get you anywhere is never worth it. I nearly didn't have a long term to enjoy a 'reward' from! Or could have imperiled someone else's.

@Daojoan

Agreed that its terrible advice to grind and work to the detriment of everything else.

One thing that happened to me and some friends/Acquaintances that also work in tech was not developing other critical skills because of the outsized focus on work.

I know so many people that crash and have to heal and learn how to socialize, build hobbies, etc in their 30s which is far harder.

@Daojoan I worked production on festivals like Bumbershoot and Womad. Drank a ton and pounded speed with my coffee. Now my knees and back hurt. Worth it though.
@Daojoan I've been trying to recover from that for over ten years. I often worry that I'll never fully recover.
@Daojoan — I feel this, SO MUCH!
@Daojoan Money is important, but only to get enough to live comfortably and happily and for retirement. The rest basically is to show off… My goal is to work less, not more.
@Daojoan Is this what it looks like chasing the #americandream ?
@Daojoan you’re supposed to enjoy the journey

@Daojoan it's a very common discussion on Mastodon, and you're in good company here, but I still think advice is just that. It's subjective.

I hustled until I dropped and got lucky. Nowadays I hustle because I enjoy the impact I think I have, and I try and encourage my organization to be humanely capitalist, or at least not completely psychopathic.

YMMV, y'know? The older I get the more comfortable I am with not having dogmatic answers to pertinent questions.

@Daojoan >TRUTH 👍💯💯💯💯💯🥺
@Daojoan I also worked myself into a burnout & long crash. I ended up losing my job & on Unemployment for the next year. It wasn’t worth it either.
@Daojoan This was my exact experience as well. While an undergrad I was a staff beat reporter. Then while in grad school I held two simultaneous grad assistantships. Then I couldn't read another book for two years. It's taken me years to recover from the burn out and regain my love for academia and work. Work is like mountain-climbing: you have to go at a pace you can maintain long-term or you'll exhaust yourself and may not be able to make it back.
@Daojoan I realized how pointless and destructive it was when I did a census & had to take actual stock of the number of hours, abuse & stress from day job that was poverty wages & underpaid for the skills plus the work that was to do self employment and side hustle to hopefully escape the day job, & help pay bills…I realized I had been working 88 hours a week for 10 years with NO increase in quality of life…in fact the harder I worked, I made less and less and was able to afford less and less.

@Daojoan
Hustle culture can fuck all the way off.

My father hustled himself into a stroke then spent a decade with dementia brought on by the stoke that left him a shell of his former self.

@Daojoan chase thank you for this. Good advice.

@Daojoan

I had a tough job and was offered 4x my regular pay for some side work.

They loved me and tried to work me to death. Initially I’d just take elaborate vacations with the extra money.

But I could only keep going 60+ hrs/wk for 6 years and *had* to quit.

A friend was in a similar position and put himself 300k in debt getting a fancy PhD. Wanted us to be millionaires as partners.

His life is awful. He’s worn out and sold out. And broke. I feel sorry for him.

@Daojoan @lisamelton Fuck that shit. I still have those 90 lbs I gained during my software death march.

@Daojoan

"Word hard to get ahead in life" is corporate BS to make you work yourself to death or leave you with a broken body

@Daojoan Most people do not have money discipline. Education and skills are good but gotta-have-it syndrome will break you.

@Daojoan

Worked with a fellow 15 years older than me.

He'd been working consulting engineering since leaving university. He did a lot of field work, and was away from his family for years at a time. Talked a lot about all the plans he had for retirement, including buying a place in Italy, touring Europe etc.

Sixty came and went, then his wife finally put her foot down and he retired at 65. They did buy a place in Italy. Six months later a massive coronary left him lying on a slab, and his wife stranded in Italy alone.

I was on the same grind, but dropped it. Took a supervisory position so I was home every night, and stick to regular working hours.

Life's too short to waste on making other people rich.

@Daojoan
This feels appropriate here
@Daojoan I work hard all the time, but it never interferes with what I actually care about. I have never chased monetary wealth because I am already the richest person on the planet. I have family and friends, a wealth that may not be tangible, but is worth more than all the gold ever dug up.
@Daojoan it'll make somebody else richer off of your hard work, though, which is why that "advice" is so widespread...
@Daojoan I'm sure there are many formulas for "success," but I think you have to start with defining what success means to you. When I was young I'm not sure I addressed that question in any deep way. As I've become older, it's the only question that matters.
@Daojoan haha, when I came out of university and started my first job an older friend gave me the advice to take it easy at work, because “they will not errect a statue in my honor”. 😂
@Daojoan Hustle culture *is* the hustle.
@Daojoan
This is truth.
Also the people who'll tell you these things are largely the returning planes.

@Daojoan 500 boosts in 36 hours; many here seem to resonate. 👍

Burnout: if you can learn the lesson another way, avoid it.

"Occupational burnout is a chronic condition that occurs in people who experience a lot of stress at work, & who do not have a chance to recover from that stress. Very often, people have the feeling that they are unable to meet the expectations of their employer. Their condition often occurs together with other conditions, such as clinical depression.
-- wikipedia