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Gurke@harriorrihar Woah, I especially like the flower one! So much abundance
@pinuslusatius 🌺⚡🌺⚡🌺 Thanks!
Ulrich Suberg@harriorrihar ooooh pretty! I really dig your Moebius vibes and always look forward to your updates!
@Ulisu ⚡✨✨⚡👏🏼💙👏🏼
Alien🍉@harriorrihar man I love your work
Sylvhem@harriorrihar Your colors are always so pretty ❤.
Mr. Completely@harriorrihar Arzak can't drive, he's used to flying
He is not Arzak, he is an Aztec with his Aztec clothing.
waarismijnhoofd@harriorrihar @mrcompletely
Respect that, and are you really saying that you are not at least inspired by Moebius?
(Not meant in a bad way, your art is beautiful)
Respect that, and are you really saying that you are not at least inspired by Moebius?
(Not meant in a bad way, your art is beautiful)
@waarismijnhoofd @mrcompletely
What I am really saying is that this character is exactly the same Aztec that you see in the reference image, I have copied it exactly and then I have traced a photo that I found on the internet of an accident truck. So no, I have not been inspired, what I have done is trace two existing references just as an AI would do.
@waarismijnhoofd @mrcompletely
If you see Arzak in my illustration it is because Moebius was surely inspired by that Aztec.
But I have not interpreted it, I have traced it exactly as it is, without any type of inspiration. I have not tried to make art, or transcend, etc., I have only carried out the work of tracing and coloring, in exchange for money.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd fascinating! Thank you for explaining! Of course Arzak could be directly based on an Aztec design - the similarities in the name point that way as well - and of course his time in Mexico was completely transformative for Moebius. It influenced his art and life profoundly. Now I know another example. Extremely cool
@mrcompletely @harriorrihar
Yes I really like all 3 pieces.
I didn’t only refer to the guy being inspired by Arzak, all of the three drawing look very much like Moebius, the one of the girl especially.
That’s meant as a compliment.
I just don’t know if you are maybe not a European and how well you know Moebius
Yes I really like all 3 pieces.
I didn’t only refer to the guy being inspired by Arzak, all of the three drawing look very much like Moebius, the one of the girl especially.
That’s meant as a compliment.
I just don’t know if you are maybe not a European and how well you know Moebius
@waarismijnhoofd @harriorrihar my observation is that in the last decade or so, the master Gir's influence has become so widespread and pervasive in SFF art that it forms part of the inherent aesthetic background. His line work, composition and color theory are all now essentially foundational in the field, whether or not any individual artist draws directly on his work for inspiration (or even rebels and pushes away from it). It's even in Marvel movies now.
@waarismijnhoofd @harriorrihar I wouldn't dream of speaking for our artist here of course. But I see the style of Moebius in various forms quite often now, and I've come to realize that when an artist is learning now, it's likely that their teacher, or their teacher's teacher, or their reference materials were subject to that influence even if they weren't directly. For many young artists it leads to a derivative phase, though that has nothing to do with the art here, or for, say, Killian Eng
@mrcompletely @harriorrihar
You’re probably right, as a BD fan I hope you are. I.m.o. Moebius is one of the greatest artists of the 20th century and I hope he gets the respect he deserves, and his art will live on.
You’re probably right, as a BD fan I hope you are. I.m.o. Moebius is one of the greatest artists of the 20th century and I hope he gets the respect he deserves, and his art will live on.
@waarismijnhoofd I agree entirely. I collect as much of his material as I can afford, which isn't that much. I think his estate is not serving his memory well though. They are very restrictive with licensing, and they don't have a reputation for being pleasant or easy to work with. This has created an exclusive high end collector's market but made it very hard for general audiences to discover his work.
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
This is one of my best-known illustrations, and therefore one in which my inspiration in Moebius is most mentioned. But where you see remains of a master, I only see my wife in a photo from my holidays. There are neither "his line, composition nor the theory of color that are now fundamental in this field." I simply traced the photo in the only way I am capable of tracing a photo, it is more like what an AI does, a filter, than what an artist does.
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
And at some point I have been hired to work on movies or TV shows trying to do other types of line work, I am very bad at that, I am not a good illustrator and I am terrible at copying someone else's lines. It would never occur to me to try to match with my trembling hand the firm and precise line of a master of drawing. I'm just a worker who does exactly what companies ask of him trying to be profitable and support a family.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd I'm certainly not calling your work derivative or anything like that. It's quite original seeming to me. I simply see echoes of a familiar style. If that's coincidence instead of influence that's fine, but I hope you take it as a compliment. Every artist has influences, whether yours include Moebius isn't really relevant, the work is very good
Fwiw I took you off the continuing thread since it turned into a discussion of someone else's art
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
Yes, it is derivative art of the photo that I took.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd you're using the word derivative in a nonstandard way, which is fine, but not what I mean. I meant in terms of the technique used to execute the piece in the medium you're working in, not the existence of a reference piece in another medium. It's an interesting and humble way to view your work but I don't think it's very accurate in terms of the typical English use of the word in reference to artistic style. I like your perspective though.
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
What I'm trying to say is that I have no inspiration, I don't do any kind of alchemical magic called art. I am a worker executing guidelines, and yes, of course I know who Moebius is, and I have copied him when the companies literally have asked me to copy it, just as I have had to poorly copy other styles.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd oh sure, as an amateur (former professional) artist I understand totally, for most of us art is not magical, it is mechanical. I do entirely understand that part
JCrane ✨👁✨@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd @mrcompletely I think you’re drawing is absolutely beautiful, and what you do with color is sublime. As for the questions of Mobius influence, you drew that pointy hat where there was none… maybe that’s a little wink wink? I also appreciate a little peek into your process, and would love to see more… I’d love to see how you do color. I really love your color.
@waarismijnhoofd @harriorrihar @mrcompletely never mind, I just saw the Aztec post. Thank you for that!
@JCrane @waarismijnhoofd @mrcompletely
Before traveling to Iceland we read an article that talked about a road that was never built on the island, in part because it was believed to be a territory of goblins and gnomes.
We loved that article and it is the reason why my wife appears with a pointed hat.
@waarismijnhoofd @harriorrihar @mrcompletely wow, yes, talk about process. Thank you again, that is delightful. ❤️
mmby@harriorrihar @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd this is really fascinating to read, especially in terms of the photo and the 'bashing' approach
⛰🌲Randy Walters🌲⛰ has moved!@harriorrihar @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
Yes, but it’s beautiful – and is is the work of an artist.
J. Peterson@harriorrihar You definitely deserve credit for creating an evocative sky. Much nicer than the blank white space in the photo.
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Jared Zimmerman ✨@harriorrihar is this Hverir?
Yess!!! 🌋🌋🌋
somnule@harriorrihar @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd it's certainly a beautiful source photo you've used, but the colors you choose and the way you pick which details to accentuate in your illustration is a product of your own mind, and it's beautiful in a way the photo doesn't have.
@som @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
Well, it's a mechanism or a filter, right now I could do it with an AI.
@som @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
And I think so.
@som @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
It is a fact, not a belief.
Julianoë@harriorrihar @som @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd AI would not have invented a pointed hat in reference of a story that moved you and your wife though 😉
@Julianoe @som @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
And if it does that, they won't pay me for it either. 
Krautdragon [ Art ]@harriorrihar @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd I fear in this day of age giving AI users the (wrong) idea, that we are just like AI will backfire. 😅
That aside reading your process here was unexpected und very interesting.
@krautdragon @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
I think the idea that should prevail is that if I do a job, you can't steal it. Because the mystical discourse of art that makes us irreplaceable does not stand, and has fallen under its own weight.
@krautdragon @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
I think that if we artists spoke more as workers in terms of labor rights and property, and less in terms of art and creativity as if we were priests of aesthetics and intellect, right now we would not have so many problems with what is a more than obvious theft .
@harriorrihar @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd Honestly I don't talk like that. And rarely see people talk like that. o: But I agree of course. There's not much punch in a statement like "AI has no soul" That's way too vague and sounds esoterical.
@harriorrihar @krautdragon @waarismijnhoofd very thoughtful view. Even addressing it as craft is a step in the right direction. Craft is essentially just work plus skill developed over time applied to creative fields
Vidar Hokstad / Galaxy Bound@harriorrihar @mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd One one hand, I think you're selling yourself short - most people would not end up with a result like that from tracing a photo. On the other hand, I appreciate people being humble about what they do a whole lot more than when people make up some bullshit stories to make it seem more profound. I like a lot of your illustrations, and they're still just as great knowing the things you've written in this thread.
Joël Franušić@harriorrihar if you haven’t already read up on the Aztecs, I recommend “The Aztecs: A Very Short Introduction” https://academic.oup.com/book/481 (this book sparked the conversation that lead to me learning that I have great aunts and uncles with Aztec names)
oldmanlowgun@harriorrihar these are stunning!
@oldmanlowgun Thanks!!!! 🐸🐸🐸
Little Hat Of Horror@harriorrihar Your color palettes are gorgeous!
@littlehatofhorror Thanks!!! 🌈🌈🌈
@littlehatofhorror Thanks!!! 🌈