Jon Juarez
Mr. Completely@harriorrihar Arzak can't drive, he's used to flying
He is not Arzak, he is an Aztec with his Aztec clothing.
waarismijnhoofd@harriorrihar @mrcompletely
Respect that, and are you really saying that you are not at least inspired by Moebius?
(Not meant in a bad way, your art is beautiful)
Respect that, and are you really saying that you are not at least inspired by Moebius?
(Not meant in a bad way, your art is beautiful)
@waarismijnhoofd @mrcompletely
What I am really saying is that this character is exactly the same Aztec that you see in the reference image, I have copied it exactly and then I have traced a photo that I found on the internet of an accident truck. So no, I have not been inspired, what I have done is trace two existing references just as an AI would do.
@waarismijnhoofd @mrcompletely
If you see Arzak in my illustration it is because Moebius was surely inspired by that Aztec.
But I have not interpreted it, I have traced it exactly as it is, without any type of inspiration. I have not tried to make art, or transcend, etc., I have only carried out the work of tracing and coloring, in exchange for money.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd fascinating! Thank you for explaining! Of course Arzak could be directly based on an Aztec design - the similarities in the name point that way as well - and of course his time in Mexico was completely transformative for Moebius. It influenced his art and life profoundly. Now I know another example. Extremely cool
@mrcompletely @harriorrihar
Yes I really like all 3 pieces.
I didn’t only refer to the guy being inspired by Arzak, all of the three drawing look very much like Moebius, the one of the girl especially.
That’s meant as a compliment.
I just don’t know if you are maybe not a European and how well you know Moebius
Yes I really like all 3 pieces.
I didn’t only refer to the guy being inspired by Arzak, all of the three drawing look very much like Moebius, the one of the girl especially.
That’s meant as a compliment.
I just don’t know if you are maybe not a European and how well you know Moebius
@waarismijnhoofd @harriorrihar my observation is that in the last decade or so, the master Gir's influence has become so widespread and pervasive in SFF art that it forms part of the inherent aesthetic background. His line work, composition and color theory are all now essentially foundational in the field, whether or not any individual artist draws directly on his work for inspiration (or even rebels and pushes away from it). It's even in Marvel movies now.
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
This is one of my best-known illustrations, and therefore one in which my inspiration in Moebius is most mentioned. But where you see remains of a master, I only see my wife in a photo from my holidays. There are neither "his line, composition nor the theory of color that are now fundamental in this field." I simply traced the photo in the only way I am capable of tracing a photo, it is more like what an AI does, a filter, than what an artist does.
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
And at some point I have been hired to work on movies or TV shows trying to do other types of line work, I am very bad at that, I am not a good illustrator and I am terrible at copying someone else's lines. It would never occur to me to try to match with my trembling hand the firm and precise line of a master of drawing. I'm just a worker who does exactly what companies ask of him trying to be profitable and support a family.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd I'm certainly not calling your work derivative or anything like that. It's quite original seeming to me. I simply see echoes of a familiar style. If that's coincidence instead of influence that's fine, but I hope you take it as a compliment. Every artist has influences, whether yours include Moebius isn't really relevant, the work is very good
Fwiw I took you off the continuing thread since it turned into a discussion of someone else's art
@mrcompletely @waarismijnhoofd
Yes, it is derivative art of the photo that I took.
@harriorrihar @waarismijnhoofd you're using the word derivative in a nonstandard way, which is fine, but not what I mean. I meant in terms of the technique used to execute the piece in the medium you're working in, not the existence of a reference piece in another medium. It's an interesting and humble way to view your work but I don't think it's very accurate in terms of the typical English use of the word in reference to artistic style. I like your perspective though.