Seattle Times: Boeing wants FAA to exempt MAX 7 from safety rules to get it in the air:

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-wants-faa-to-exempt-max-7-from-safety-rules-to-get-it-in-the-air/

Over pilots’ objection, Boeing seeks safety exemption for MAX 7

Boeing asked the FAA to exempt its 737 MAX 7 from certain safety regulations. Without the exemption, an engine anti-ice system defect will keep the jet from being certified.

The Seattle Times

@cstross Isn't this what submarine guy wanted to do?

Other than the "in the air" bit, that is.

@cstross

Less and less interest in flying again. :(

@cstross Time to identify that whole decision making chain and everyone in it and put them to hoeing turnips a long way from an airport.

(I'd like to believe that the engineering capacity is still there; the management needs replacing soonest if they're coming up with that stuff.)

@graydon This is pretty typical of Boeing management since the reverse-takeover by McDonnell Douglas, who got a bad dose of Jack Welch Management Disease in the 1990s and infected Boeing from within.

@cstross
Seriously, though, after the last fiasco, how will that even, uh, fly?

Do they also subscribe to the theory that when stopped by police you should go "fine me, I dare you, I double dare you!" ?
@graydon

@iinavpov @graydon As of 2022, Boeing had revenue of over US $66Bn, assets of $137Bn, and 156,000 employees (not counting the outsourced supply chains for their newer jets). That's a behemoth, and there's got to be some very deep pockets for buying politicians and regulators there.
@cstross
Sure, but they'll also need to sell the things!
@graydon

@cstross Hence my advocacy of dooming the lot to a desolate turnip-hoeing existence. That sort of thing is nigh-impossible to fix, but it can be replaced.

It's a real pity there's no obvious parallel mechanism for the chute packing rule that could be applied to aircraft. (The parachute packers get randomly selected chutes and sent to jump. It does a lot for the quality of the chute packing.)

@cstross

It's not like Boeing has skipped testing in the past and had multiple planes falling apart and killing people... Oh wait. It has ...

@DeborahForPlus @cstross

My answers to that proposal would be something like No Way. With much stronger language though 🤨🤦‍♂️

@cstross Seems to me like that rather defeats the purpose of safety regulations.
@cstross That seems like a terrible idea.
@cstross I'm sure I'm part of the nonzero amount of people that specifically book flights that use Airbus planes.
@cstross ...and I'm not changing that policy, either: https://bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67899564 "Alaska Airlines grounds 737 Max 9 planes after section blows out mid-air"
Alaska Airlines grounds 737 Max 9 planes after section blows out mid-air

Part of the fuselage of the Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 fell off, forcing an emergency landing.

BBC News
@cstross I often save reminder notes to myself. Here’s one. “NO Boeing 737 Max EVER.”
@cstross @sepfeiffer “If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going”
@cstross our famous for falling out of the sky and killing everyone plane is perfectly safe… we promise… again.
@cstross the odd thing about Mastodon is that QT are allowed, so long as you do them using a URL or a picture.
@cstross
It's interesting that they would design an engine cowling heater with NO TEMPERATURE SENSOR to prevent overheating. How difficult is that to think of?
@cstross Nationalize Boeing and arrest all major Boeing Stockholders
@cstross Thinking of Boeing employee who told me management moving to Chicago means they don't listen to the engineers anymore...

@cstross

Oh yeah, THAT'S a good idea 🤦 😬

@cstross Boeing has fallen so far since the merger with mcdonnell douglas
@cstross
I don't fly much, and probably only once more. But I'm going to be avoiding Boeing for that journey.
@cstross Given this flaw, on a plane with the MAX's disastrous history, how has the FAA not grounded the existing MAX fleet? This fault presents Boeing and the FAA with an existential risk to both organisations. One crash and they're both toast.
@dshan @cstross I mean, how hard is it to slap a temp prob on it and regulate it. I understand there needs to be safeguards on it, but geeze the anti-incing seems like a /simple/ thing, how could you fuck it up this badly
@cstross If I'm Airbus, I'm getting my marketing team fully behind pushing this story out there.
@cstross ...this aircraft has been a safety nightmare from the beginning....old airframe design with bigger engines, made that corrective MCAS system necessary....and didn't tell anyone!! And two crashed killing hundreds. The larger/smaller versions seem to be plagued by more and more issues, loose bolts in the tail section the other day's news. Boeing should get no exemptions from any safety requirements. Make it safe, meet all regs and rules. Or don't fly it. Pretty simple, really.

@cstross ….oof…..now a MAX 9 blows out a window, Alaska Airlines….

Alaska Airlines plane lands in Portland after losing window https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67899564

Alaska Airlines grounds 737 Max 9 planes after section blows out mid-air

Part of the fuselage of the Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 fell off, forcing an emergency landing.

BBC News
@havvyhh2 @cstross not a window from the looks of it; a fucking emergency door blew out of that piece of junk!
@orc @havvyhh2 Worse: there was no emergency door fitted to that plane, it was a blank panel (according to the BBC report).
@cstross @havvyhh2 oh hahaha that’s even better!
@havvyhh2 @cstross Boeing 737 Max 9 … with the new “spontaneous ventilation” feature.
David Ho (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Because I needed another reason to never fly on a 737 MAX.

Mastodon
@havvyhh2 @cstross They need that exception to get those MAX variants certified. Everything else is a new plane.

@cstross

This thing should not be in the air.

Here is an excellent (long) explainer on the Boeing 737 MAX saga:

https://perell.com/essay/boeing-737-max/

#boeing #737

Why Did The Boeing 737 Max Crash? - David Perell

David analyzes the root causes of the Boeing 737 Max crash. Read here.

David Perell
@cstross So, it is a shit aircraft, and may fall out of the sky? Is that what they mean?

@cstross Fantastic timing, Boeing. On the same day as explosive decompression on 737 MAX 9...

What's next, CEO throws a baseball at it to prove the glass won't break?

@cstross
What's the worst that could happen?
Boeing’s Alaska Airlines Mid-Air Emergency Very Similar to 2011 Southwest Airlines Blowout

The Alaska Airlines in-flight emergency is almost an exact replica of what happened to a Boeing flight from Arizona to California.

The Daily Beast