Wondering about the experiences with #minfulness and #meditation for other folks with #ADHD, particularly "inattentive type" (or what we used to just call #ADD) and particularly if you experience hyperfocus.

I had a very adverse experience with a therapist obsessed with mindfulness apps who wouldn't listen or engage with my bad responses to them, and as I've tried to reconstitute my own practices, I'm wondering if hyperfocus tendencies alter what methods one should use. ๐Ÿงต

I was dealing with pandemic-related anxiety and depression, and the therapist I got connected with through our health system basically seemed to insist on getting me to use one of three smartphone apps (no other medidative or contemplative practices were acceptable to him). Using them made my symptoms acutely worse at a time when that was a really bad thing. Later an SE practitioner identified that I basically had trauma around that therapy run, which is kinda fucked up, but anyway.
I have a whole-ass rant about how "mindfulness" apps are almost uniformly grounded, in the stories they present about the origins of the practices they encourage, some absolutely classic Western modernist appropriative bullshit, and I'm not going down that road because if I start it'll be a 75-post rant, but tl;dr I fired his lame ass and in the short term just went back to practicing taijiquan and trying to honor the tradition I'd been taught.
While somatic experiencing, or SE, has a load of woo in it and much deeper down than the mindfulness stuff has some of the same Western modernist appropriative bullshit, it's at the very least lower down and the founder seemed to have tried to honor some of the traditions he was learning from, which ends up looking like woo. Anyway, that was very helpful in the short term.
Far more helpfully, a relative showed me a centering prayer app which includes some of the standard set of what's contemporarily known as mindfulness but also draws on old Christian centering prayer traditions. (NB: I don't think these are objectively better by any means. I think one is in far less danger of doing appropriative bullshit if you raid your own traditions rather than something novel you found on a colonial intellectual journey. So the Xian note here is just that it's my tradition)

So yeah, the point isn't that this particular practice was Christian in origin or whatever, although that helped in making it more integrative with my other religious practices, but the point here is that the practice calls on identifying a "sacred word" to focus on.

I've noticed when this works for me, it's not because I'm "gently returning to the word." Because I can sit for an hour and hold onto that one thought like a boss and then I'm irritable, useless, and unpleasant the rest of the day

Instead, rather than the "return" that's the current Thing in mindfulness, I've used the "sacred word" alternately as a tether or a lens for thoughts.

I allow myself to think, because stopping myself from thinking just becomes a fun game that my hyperfocus wants to play endlessly and again, that's not helpful. It's that the thoughts can't go cantering off into the sunset. They have to play in sight of the focal word.

Today I was working on my generalized non-specific holiday angst with the word, "gift." A lot of my spiraling thoughts today are about gifts (guess why haha) and my contemplative time basically let a lot of those thoughts wander free, while just remembering that "gift" comes with a lot of sacred context in addition to consumerist excess and family strife. And I felt a whole lot better afterwards.

Partially because my hyperfocus stayed asleep the whole time.

Anyway, I will yet again issue the standard disclaimer that yes, there are both beautiful ancient traditions around what we now call mindfulness, there's the outstanding works of people like Ticht Nacht Hahn that's helping millions of people, and those (to me) accursed apps may be relieving the suffering of a lot of people.

As long as we can allow for grounding and particularity, I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad about any of it.

@MichaelTBacon mind sharing that app? Sounds like something I might like. I also am not a fan of meditation apps I have tried. I tend to do the "just sit and breath" meditation and that works for me most of the time, but sometimes I'd like a bit more structure or guidance

@jtskywalker Yeah, sorry, put it in a post outside the thread.

https://social.coop/@MichaelTBacon/111647927618235136

Michael T. Bacon, Ph.D. (@[email protected])

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@MichaelTBacon I also didn't notice any improvement using mindfulness apps and find the obsession with mindfulness annoying. Your thoughts remind me of the book McMindfulness by Ronald Purser
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/600158/mcmindfulness-by-ronald-purser/
McMindfulness by Ronald Purser: 9781912248315 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books

A lively and razor-sharp critique of mindfulness as it has been enthusiastically co-opted by corporations, public schools, and the US military. Mindfulness ...

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@mati Wow, I haven't read it, but "McMindfulness" is a *fantastic* name for the stuff that drives me nuts.
@MichaelTBacon combined type ADHD here and I have not gotten along well with mindfulness apps. I have had the most luck using drawing/doodle journaling combined with learning about internal family systems. That's drastically simplifying the past few years of learning/therapy/coaching in my life of course ๐Ÿ˜œ but still, those two are what come out on top for me for actually working with my brain.