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Steve HermanRing announces its employees are no longer spying on you, except in "very limited circumstances."
Mike Czerski@w7voa Heh...
Lazarou Monkey Terror ๐๐๐@w7voa gotta love the Black Mirror vibes to this.
2xfo
Andrew ๐ป Brandt ๐@w7voa "we won't spy on you until the next time"
Compuguy ๐ฑ@w7voa Yay? ๐คโ
Darwin Woodka@w7voa cause they have AIs for that now right
rhizome
Julie WebgirlOnly on their breaks.
Askan ๐ช๐บ
Carl Anderson@w7voa I totally trust them, really. If you can't trust Amazon, who can you trust?
Andi@carljanderson ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
pivotman319 ๐ฆ 
@w7voa this does not spark confidence
MikeWas@w7voa I guess this means I should stop trying to flash my doorbellโs firmware.
Pickle Jr@w7voa As a developer for a rather large corp, it's insane how little some seem to care about customer data sensitivity. Especially on the "admin" side of things.
"Oh, we don't need to secure this on the company/admin side of things. We can trust our coworkers!"
Like, no. If we have sensitive data, we have a duty to secure and lock down the data so that it is only accessed with absolutely necessary. You can't skimp anywhere. Employee's viewing these videos shouldn't even be possible. Sad.
Jeffy ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐บ๐ฆ โค๏ธ๐ฑ๐บ@w7voa Ring IS Amazon, isn't it? And they fired employees, but did the company (whoever they are) get fined?
Quinn9282 ๐ฅ๏ธ๐โ๏ธ@w7voa How about NO employees can have access to people's videos. How can we trust people at the higher-up not to view people's videos or mess something up with the system on their end?
Sorry Amazon, but nobody "trusts" your companies' employees or management anymore at the higher-up. If you want to prove otherwise, give me one good reason why employees ever need to access people's videos (other than "law enforcement" and stuff like that).
TL;DR: Embrace self-hosting. Screw Amazon.
Greg Bell@w7voa didn't deny it, didn't apologize for it
Covidiocracy@w7voa
TOILET CAMERA IS FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY
TOILET CAMERA IS FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY
Chris Gioran ๐@w7voa I am not a lawyer, but this text is consistent with an interpretation that any and/or all contractors have access to the videos, including possibly those that were fired. It only explicitly states limitations were put in place for employees.
Of course, you don't have to worry about any of this if you don't use these shitty products in the first place.
Skjeggtroll"a limited number of employees" -- Now there's a weasel turn of phrase if I ever heard one.
Oh, and it's only the FTC who's _alleging_ that it happened. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. There's just no way for Ring to know. And anyway, the people who did it are all gone now and we've changed all the locks.
Bernard Quatermass
Samhain Night@w7voa I'm cleaning a house today that has a ring camera set up right where you oark, so it looks directly into the car. I have to stifle the urge to filp it off every time I walk past.
Jason Robinson ๐ ๐ป ๐ด@[email protected] Well, if things are not end to end encrypted, employees will always have access. There is nothing that can be done to avoid that.
/me doesn't know anything about Ring though.
Steve Herman (@[email protected])
22.5K Posts, 970 Following, 28.4K Followers ยท Executive Director, Jordan Ctr. for Journalism Advocacy & Innovation/Asst. Professor of Practice @ Univ. of Mississippi; Former VOA News White House bureau chief; Author, Behind the White House Curtain; @JURISTnews board of governors; 2022 Kiplinger Fellow, Ohio Univ.; Nevada Broadcasters Assoc. Hall of Fame; W7VOA on ham radio.
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SpaceLifeFormDoes this mean that Ring will now require a warrant? Or can police still just ask?
Lotโดโน@w7voa Well alrighty then, our privacy is secure.
pope@w7voa amazon sucks if you support them, you are going straight to hell where the devil will spank you with pitchforks
Lesley Carhart 
@w7voa @zackwhittaker so confidence inspiring
RealGene โฃ๏ธ
SlightlyCyberpunk@w7voa Their employees, sure. The cops that want to stalk their ex are still largely unrestricted though. Also not sure if they ever fixed the thing where random journalists were able to get footage by merely implying that they might be a cop...
Rafi C@w7voa Then, in 2028, "We have entered into a settlement with the FTC for inappropriate surveillance practices. Since 2024, we have significantly changed..."
iwein@w7voa I've yet to hear a good argument as to why this data needs to leave the premise unencrypted. Ever. Why is that not at the core of the discussion?
unlucio ๐ 
@w7voa Gotta love the blame game and not changing culture.
Cher Tailor@w7voa If you flash a Ring and can prove the company watched it, can the FCC sue them? ๐ค
Gnorzaps@w7voa my Ring doorbell found itself on a basement shelf collecting dust. Soon to be recycled. I have zero trust for anything they say.
Ivo Damjanoviฤ@w7voa
Boss: โSpy on our customers or get firedโ
Employee: โOkayyy?!โ
Boss: โYou got caught spying. You are fired.โ
Employee: โWtfโ
Boss: โSpy on our customers or get firedโ
Employee: โOkayyy?!โ
Boss: โYou got caught spying. You are fired.โ
Employee: โWtfโ