Christian SeligI will never understand this phenomenon
Noah Lovelady-Allen@christianselig laptpots
(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧@christianselig @nloveladyallen It’s ok, MacBooks 🥰
AwesumIndustrys@christianselig ngl I’d rather have matte finishes to reduce glare and to keep fingerprints off of my stuff.
@AwesumIndustrys I would simply not touch my monitor
@christianselig I don’t touch my tv but I swear it just sucks up fingerprints from a mile away.
@AwesumIndustrys I can't say I have that issue :p
Adam Bell 
@christianselig ~~phenomenon~~ hellscape
Chris Coleman@christianselig Things have actually improved. Go back like 15 years and every laptop had a matte display.
Weirdly, in the early days of flat panel TVs, plasmas seemed to be glossy, but LCSs were matte. Why? Who knows.
Arcticulate@Chris @christianselig *Looks at his Panasonic Plasma TV*. Yes 😁
Robert Roskam
DarkRat@christianselig as someone who absolutely HATES glossy screens for anything bigger than a phone, I'm so annoyed when you can only get laptops with shitty mirror finish.
If I wanted to look at myself during work, I'd use a mirror
Edit: and honestly, I'd take a matte phone screen as well, if they'd ever make them
Irrelevant Redhead@darkrat @christianselig I don't know if they make them for phones, but I have a matte glass screen protector for my iPad (much better texture to write on with apple pencil in addition to being anti-glare.
Dale Price@christianselig I feel like the target market for monitors is institutions buying hundreds at a time and checking “anti glare” off a list of features without caring if they actually reduce glare.
The other products are generally bought by the people who use them.
NeoNacho@christianselig this is how you can easily differentiate good (fun) from bad (work) screens
Haelwenn /элвэн/ 
@christianselig Am I the only one who *hates* glossy?
Douglas Patriarche@lanodan @christianselig I’m apparently with you in the plucky minority who prefer antiglare screens
Mechawatts@christianselig That's easy: There's a 'built for work' size, and if we ever accidentally lock eyes with ourselves on the black video call loading screen, we'd just spend the whole call screaming. Just wailing.
Sam@christianselig And it's funny, too, because phones/laptops are gonna get used outside, and TVs are generally next to lots of lights or windows, but it's the displays that are least likely to have glare that do this!
Luna Dragofelis ΘΔ moved to @@christianselig I think it might be that anti-glare is a formal health&safety requirement for workplace monitors, and manufacturers decided "welp, let's just make all monitors that way"
@LunaDragofelis How would it be a health and safety requirement haha
@christianselig Glare can be pretty terrible if the angle of the sun is bad, and employees don't always have much control over their sitting position, angle or sunlight ingress, so they need the government to protect their health and safety against their boss who might give zero fucks about their subordinates' comfort at work.
@LunaDragofelis I dunno, I worked at Apple and they had all glossy monitors in the office I worked, and I feel like if there was any evidence of anti-glare monitors protecting people from sun damage, and especially if the gov implemented it, they would be following it. If that was a thing phones would be blinding everyone if they used it outside lol
@christianselig It might not apply in California.
@LunaDragofelis Do you have a link showing anywhere that it's applied?
@christianselig I was just guessing.
gullevek ☢️ 🇯🇵@christianselig We will never have proper multi port glossy monitors. Because reasons. Sad
Ihar Filipau@christianselig Reflections make any professional work (that involves disproportionate amount of reading off screen) with the glossy displays hard and tiring. Pretty much all professional displays (incl few tablet model lines) have matte screens. (Pretty much only profession that likes glossy screens are the graphic designers (for color reproduction). And marketing. Because marketing like shiny things.)
@ifilipau If it's a decent monitor it should be able to get more than bright enough to fight off a normal amount of sunlight, unless you're working outside. I sit beside a window and it's no problem except with dim monitors
"it should be able to get more than bright enough ..." to also slowly burn through your retinas. Beware. But in the end it's your eyes, and you free to do with them whatever you want.
P.S. ~20y ago people have had similar discussions about why dark mode for the OSs was a stupid/etc idea.
@ifilipau There's no scientific evidence that screen use impacts your vision. There's been some studies that have shown correlation with blue light emission, but anti-glare does nothing to stop that https://www.nvisioncenters.com/education/screen-time-and-your-eyes/
It may increase eye fatigue, but you should be practicing the 20-20-20 rule regardless
Zitrone@christianselig @ifilipau r u trolling?
if a screen is too bright its tiring. thats why we use darkmodes.
dark elements will always reflect on a glossy screen, no matter the contrast, resulting in an unclear picture, stress.
if its an option matte costs more. its way cheaper to get colours shining bright on a glossy screen. perception. easy to fool home-(and apple-)users.
no photographer ever would use a glossy screen, you need precision, real black and real white, no tampering, no reflection.
if a screen is too bright its tiring. thats why we use darkmodes.
dark elements will always reflect on a glossy screen, no matter the contrast, resulting in an unclear picture, stress.
if its an option matte costs more. its way cheaper to get colours shining bright on a glossy screen. perception. easy to fool home-(and apple-)users.
no photographer ever would use a glossy screen, you need precision, real black and real white, no tampering, no reflection.
@zitrone @ifilipau Tiring isn't the same thing as eye damage, any screen use will introduce eye fatigue, that's why there's the 20-20-20 rule to begin with
Someone doing professional photo or video editing wouldn't be doing so in a brightly lit room regardless (professional mastering monitors are used in rooms with the lights off, for instance)
I assure you all photographers are not the same and plenty of great work is done on glossy laptop screens :)
@christianselig @ifilipau tiring is part of work safety. the right amount of contrast will keep you concentrated way longer. as well as a non-reflecting read compared to a reflecting one.
unless your picture is all white or all black, its impossible not to reflect, the screen is a light source.
theres no professional glossy monitor in existence for a reason.
cinema is played in the dark, everything else is not, so daylight is prefered!
and sure, you can learn how prints come out working glossy.
unless your picture is all white or all black, its impossible not to reflect, the screen is a light source.
theres no professional glossy monitor in existence for a reason.
cinema is played in the dark, everything else is not, so daylight is prefered!
and sure, you can learn how prints come out working glossy.
Dr. Fyzziks@christianselig Looking forward to your follow-up post at 45+. Your eyes will have a different opinion then. “THE BRIGHT MONITOR! IT BURRRRRNS! The goggles do nothing!” 😆
(Sadly speaking from experience here)
@drfyzziks I don't think there's actually any scientific evidence of screens impacting eye health https://www.nvisioncenters.com/education/screen-time-and-your-eyes/
There's a small amount showing a relation with blue light emission, but that's not affected by matte/glossy
@christianselig That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that in your elder coder years (I’m 50) your eyes will tire more quickly than they used to. You will especially notice this when staring at bright screens. Glossy vs matte doesn’t matter as much as overall screen brightness. However, some w/glossy screens (myself incl.) will crank the brightness to compensate for reflections & your eyes will notice it.
My eyes are perfectly healthy. They just want you to get off their lawn 😂
jfpoole@drfyzziks @christianselig You forget Christian is not an old fart like us. His eyes still work.
@jfpoole Not well lol
@jfpoole @christianselig Lol he will be one of us … eventually!
Tyler 👋@christianselig Just remembered that I have a matte screen protector on my phone…🫣
Brandon Butler@christianselig What is wrong with the matte finish? I desperately wish I had one for my office cubicle.
@brandonbutler It destroys the color vibrancy and the shimmer effect makes text a lot less crisp. Dave2D has a great video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mTV1TOblbA
How Has Nobody Made This Before?
nano's old account's rotting corpse@christianselig @brandonbutler taki udon has a great video about how its barely a problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYtRGQdhytc
Steam Deck OLED Deep Dive - 1TB vs. 512GB (Anti-Glare / Glossy Screen)
@nano @brandonbutler It does look different to me in that video personally, you can see it in Dave's video too, especially with monitors
@christianselig I don’t doubt it makes it look different. It’s just in a big open office environment with giant floor to ceiling windows I desperately wish I had something to reduce the glare.
Keir@christianselig I actually have matte displays on everything except TV's 👀
t3rminus@christianselig Left side: small and handheld. Reflections are small and the device can be easily repositioned if they become an issue.
Right side: often found in carefully controlled environments. Usually people take potential glare into account when setting up their TVs, or adjust the room to it (curtains/lights etc.)
Middle: too big to be easily repositioned if glare occurs, too small to have spaces designed around them. Mobile, not handheld, and big enough for glare to be a real problem.
@t3rminus I can reposition my monitor a lot easier than I can reposition my TV lol
@christianselig but not as easily as you can reposition your phone, which is what I mean.
For a TV, you usually change the environment to suit it, either designing the layout to reduce glare from the start, or closing blinds and turning off lights to minimize glare that way.
@t3rminus I can do that for my monitor too?
@christianselig but I feel there are more people stuck in badly-designed floor-to-ceiling windowed offices, under annoying “decorative” lights, on the table at a Starbucks, or in any other place where computers are an afterthought, and glare on screens is even less so.
You (and I) are lucky to be able to have a workspace we can control.
@t3rminus That's fair! I just feel there should be more monitors made for us then, especially when so much of the world has shifted to WFH over the last few years
Jason@christianselig Luddites like me. You can pry my matte monitors from my cold, dead arms 😂
Kraig@christianselig
What do you think of the #nano texture #Apple offers? It looks pretty extraordinary to my eyes…
What do you think of the #nano texture #Apple offers? It looks pretty extraordinary to my eyes…
@kraigschmidt It’s the best anti glare coating but still muffles the colors a bit versus glossy unfortunately
Xav@christianselig Kinda want to see a phone with a matte screen now though
screambiogenesis@christianselig I used a 23" Apple Cinema HD until about a month ago (RIP, 19 years young) partially because the awful glossy screens were so trendy there for a while that manufacturers didn't even mention the finish anymore. Thankfully it's much easier to find normal matte screens now!
Michael Hanke@christianselig Anti-glare is also the choice of most paper used for getting things done, regardless of size.