Taylor Lorenz

A flight attendant told gospel singer Bobbi Storm she’d be removed if she wouldn’t stop singing/be quiet

I’m gonna be a hater here and say tbh, good. She should not be allowed to sing. Flights/public transport should be quiet. Singing also expels more airborne disease into notoriously poorly ventilated planes.

This woman is undeniably brilliant & talented, but the plane is not a place for a concert!

What’s ur take? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/13/us/bobbi-storm-grammy-delta-flight.html

Gospel Singer Who Wouldn’t Stop Singing on a Flight Was Nearly Removed

A Delta Air Lines flight attendant told the gospel singer Bobbi Storm that she would be removed if she would not listen to his instructions to be quiet.

The New York Times
Nov 14, 2023 at 3:35amMastodon for iOS
Show threadBruce Heerssen Nov 14, 2023
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She should absolutely not be allowed to sing to a literal captive audience. That's called disturbing the peace.
Show threadBruce Heerssen Nov 14, 2023
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On the other hand, that time the cast of The Lion King busted loose on a commercial flight was an outright joy to behold. 😜
Show threadDr. Maddkap, WerepsychologistNov 14, 2023

@taylorlorenz It's a shame they don't know yet where the flight originated, because something in my soul is telling me it's Philadelphia.

In fact I am hoping it's Philadelphia.

Show threadDoctor LURKNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz with you. Just because you like something doesn't mean everyone else around you will also like it. It's about respecting everyone's peace while we're all crammed into a little tube together.
Show threadDodo & the BrawnNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz absolutely with you. I would not want anyone singing in my plane.
Show threadHudNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz Agree.
Show threadEd Wilk antifascistNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz Also consider that many people who are not undeniably brilliant & talented may want to sing on planes. Don't want the crew to have to be talent show judges. Although a 'Gong Show' kinda thing in flight might be interesting.
Show threadJason Petersen (he)Nov 14, 2023
@edwilk @taylorlorenz it isn’t that complicated. Making noise in public is wrong.
Show threadConlan SpanglerNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz Yep. The subtext of this story seems to be that one’s talent and accolades give them permission to disregard rules everyone else has to follow. I’m opposed to that on egalitarian grounds.
Show threadCranky ClownNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz arrest her!
Show threadJonathanNov 14, 2023

@taylorlorenz I agree about the singing part. I disagree about the air quality part…

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/travel/flying-plane-covid-19-safety.html

How Safe Are You From Covid When You Fly?

As vaccines become widely available and restrictions are eased, millions of people are flying again, raising questions about just how safe it is now to board a flight.

The New York Times
Show threadDirk KSNov 14, 2023

@infrequentbrilliance @taylorlorenz Yea, no, that article is way too optimistic. Many documented superspreading events on planes. Here’s one. I can keep going if you want. http://wargle.blogspot.com/2021/05/super-spreader-event-on-japanese-flight.html

Not only does the ventilation not work as well as that article claims, it is typically not even running during boarding and deplaning.

Super-spreader event on Japanese flight with strong evidence of airborne spread

Japan’s National Institute for Infectious Diseases published an epidemiological investigation showing long range airborne transmission on a...

Show threadJonathanNov 14, 2023
@DirkK @taylorlorenz I hadn’t thought about the boarding/deplaning part. The air for that portion comes from a unit on the ground and it sure doesn’t seem as effective.
Show threadTaylor LorenzNov 14, 2023
@DirkK @infrequentbrilliance yeah sadly the NYT article is wrong/airline PR spin. I’ve brought air quality monitors on every flight for the past 2ish years (I’m very immunocompromised) and most planes are AWFUL. They never replace the filters and airflow is atrocious, tons of CO2 and virus buildup. It’s not pretty! Even since covid airlines have avoided making any upgrades to their dilapidated filtration systems bc of $$$ 😵‍💫. I’ll be masking up permanently on flights tbh
Show threadRandy ClaytonNov 14, 2023
@infrequentbrilliance @taylorlorenz I used to believe these claims of how clean the air is on jets until people started carrying CO2 meters on planes and found it levels 3-4x outside air.
Show threadgoedelchenNov 14, 2023
@RandyClayton @infrequentbrilliance @taylorlorenz Not claiming that air cleaning is working well, but CO2 levels and air cleanliness are two very different things.
Show threadMelissa AtwellNov 14, 2023

@taylorlorenz Any sound a passenger makes on a plane is invariably experienced by the majority of other passengers. Choosing to sing (loudly, not under your breath) is literally forcing the majority of the plane to hear you.

Another example: imagine if someone walked around on the plane saying “LISTEN TO ME! LISTEN TO ME!” Everyone would freak out. It’s disrespectful, unnecessary, rude, and frankly immature. Most of us grow up and follow the social contract. Some sadly don’t.

Show threadEvan HuntNov 14, 2023

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It's a venerable tradition

Show threadRowinSpeezNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz just extend the same general STFUness to somebody aggressively delivering a sermon, or badgering you with questions and it’s the same thing. It doesn’t matter what key you’re in, you’re effectively just yelling.
Show threadWustinNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz I wish this post had a poll, but I feel the same. We've all known a person who enjoys breaking into song in public, and I ALWAYS cringe when that happens.
Show threadmuadeebNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz time and place. A commercial plane flight is not the time for a concert or recital
Show threadGarret Nov 14, 2023
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Show threadChris DamusNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz You’re no hater! I agree completely. Or does that make me a hater, too? 🤔
Show threadNathan TobiasNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz “Passenger Is Nearly Kicked Off Flight for Not Following Flight Attendant's Instructions” is how this headline would be written for any non-famous person creating a disruption on an airplane. And then it wouldn't be in the NY Times because it probably happens many times per day.
Show threadderekNov 14, 2023

@taylorlorenz I'll make it about religion, sure. She wants to sing Gospel music at me? Can I sing some Buddhist chants back at her? How about something in Hindi? Muslim call to prayer? I wonder how she'd feel about any of those.

Just shut up and stop being entitled.

Show threadSloan StudioNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz From the video she was being obnoxious and wouldn't follow crew orders. Claiming “god" is telling you to do it just isn't an excuse.
Show threadNihl L'AmasNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz I'm still mad about the Kenny G incident, and I wasn't even there.
Show threadGenoForPrezNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz I agree. You can't just start belting out in ENCLOSED public spaces where people CAN'T ESCAPE YOU. Planes. Restaurants. Waiting rooms. When people can't leave, it makes the problem worse because you're trapping them in your bullshit. This makes it different from e.g. busking where people can just keep walking. Some will enjoy it as charity perhaps, but it's definitely creating a disturbance and violating the etiquette of the space.
Show threadACNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz No matter what she believed her mission or calling was, the singer was incredibly rude. If anything, I actually have sympathy for Delta (which is bananas because airlines), as they would get such a shitstorm from the Uncle Trumpers out there if they kicked her off the plane and banned her for good measure (as they could, and maybe should, have done).
Show threadOverSoldNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz being a hater here, but that should be applicable to babies and toddlers...at least build a sound proof cabin for all the noise makers.
Show threadJanne MorenNov 14, 2023

@Oversold @taylorlorenz
Babies and toddlers don't have the self- control or situational understanding though. As long as the parents are making an earnest attempt at keeping their kids quiet I can absolutely forgive that. Families also have to fly after all.

I'm assuming this singer was not a toddler, or teething.

Show threadjsjNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz 100% agree. But I say that about all audible gospel music. I may be biased.
Show threadwrosecransNov 14, 2023

@taylorlorenz Airplanes have always had headphones for in flight entertainment so you don't disturb the other people. Just basic common courtesy to let people listen to whatever they want instead of whatever you want. Just a complete breakdown of the social contract of living in a society and human empathy.

I hope that flight attendant never has to buy their own drinks ever again. Most would be afraid of the confrontation for the sake of peace and quiet for everybody else on the flight.

Show threadSir_Osis_of_LiverNov 14, 2023

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I remember a story that popped up 20+ years ago about some Parisian taxi companies installing taser-like devices in the rear seats of their cars to deal with unruly passengers.

(Eventually they were forced to remove them as the cabbies were using the devices to shake down passengers.)

Seems to me the airlines should bring that to their industry. Start screeching? That's a tasing.

Show threadiweinNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz "Famous person disciplined just like anyone else would be". Example of entitlement maybe.
Show threadRogueShotenNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz If you provided the name, “Bobbi Storm,” and asked me to guess her profession…”Gospel singer” would not have been on my list of guesses…
Show threadLandsilNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz full support,
I know on the train I would walk as far as possible from someone making a noise.
Show threadMastodon MigrationNov 14, 2023

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Noise canceling headphones (mostly for loud babies and drunks, but suppose would be handy for singers too) and a good KN95 is the way to travel.

Show threadserklarvelNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz agreed
Show threadduan allenNov 14, 2023
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she should have been respectful to others who asked her not to sing. not every ask is personal gripe. i like music but I don't like air travel, discord between people inside the cabinet of the plane would be stressful to me.
Show threadIke SeblonNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz if horrid people's horrid children get to wail through a whole flight, let everyone wail I say. Do all these uptight little noise tyrants not own headphones? You've already been publicly crotch-groped in your socks on a filthy carpet, just go with it. The flight attendants though should be able to yell at everyone for anything; just the worst abuse, whatever, I wanna see them let it all out of the rage bank. These may be perspectives specific to coach.
Show threadSteve GrimNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz agree 100%. If I’m on a plane it’s undoubtedly work so I need to either relax ahead of the stress, or prepare for my meetings. I do not want a concert, no matter how talented the singer.
Show threadSir David NielsenNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz I would demand that that she be removed from the flight, this is not like a baby would can’t stop crying, this is like flicking the lights on and off during the night or other such behavior. She did not get everyone’s consent to practice, so she can fuck right off.
Show threadlupus_blackfurNov 14, 2023

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Show threadClair (KD3BCC)Nov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz I really don't want to be a captive audience for that.
Show threadJesse AtkinsonNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz the video is wild. She’s so entitled and puts everyone in uncomfortable positions. She’s delusional and doesn’t understand consent. Just one of the most entitled things I’ve seen in awhile.
Show threadPhewstepsaway 🌹Nov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz time and place
Show threadjpwkeeperNov 14, 2023
@taylorlorenz While you could make the argument for her singing during boarding, once those doors close and the plane starts to taxi it becomes a safety issue. So I'm not opposed, so long as the flight crew is OK with if and when she does it. And they weren't.
Show threadScott LougheedNov 14, 2023

@taylorlorenz once upon a time I was an academic. Lecturing and giving talks was a portion of my job.

Nobody. NOBODY wants a sociologist to lecture at random in an enclosed public space.

With the understanding that (performance) art is different from other forms of work, I think the same principle generally applies.

People should generally consent to being subjected to your work, even if that work is art.

Show threadJonbjohnsNov 15, 2023
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I do not want to be entertained on a plane, I want to be asleep