Kelly GuimontIt baffles me that once again this year we are all off our game today because lawmakers can't figure out the single thing that unites the USA across every demographic measure is a hatred of Daylight Saving Time. Whosoever drives legislation to end this nonsense will be hailed as a national hero. Whoever you think is The Absolute Worst, if they did it you'd only hate them with the intensity of 999 suns after that.
Dave Hayden š@Verso If you mean doing year-round DST, we tried it in the 70s and it didn't work out so great: https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/
The US Tried Permanent Daylight Saving Time in the ā70s. People Hated It - Washingtonian
The sun rose at 8:27 AM on January 7, 1974. Children in the Washington area had left for school in the dark that morning, thanks to a new national experiment during a wrenching energy crisis: most of the US went to year-round daylight saving time beginning on January 6. "It was jet black" outside when
@dave I don't care whether we stay DST forever or not, I just want to stop switching. Both suck for a short stretch of the year whether your issue is sunrise OR sunset. I guess they'll have to hold the hearing right at noon so they don't miss anyone (:
Marina Epelman@Verso as someone who has relocated between eastern Massachusetts and Michigan multiple times in my life, let me tell you what we really need: time zones that have diagonal, rather than vertical, boundaries.
@marinaepelman that is an interesting idea! Being close to a line is always a bit odd. My dad used to live one time zone over and when we went to visit it was super weird as a kid to have it be an hour later just because we drove by a sign.
@Verso I fly from Detroit to Chicago sometimes. With a tail wind, you land before you took off.
Dr. Drang@Verso I forgive you because youāre obviously too young to have read the definitive take on DST when it came out. http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2013/03/why-i-like-dst/
@drdrang I just want to pick one and stay there. Is that so unreasonable?
@Verso No, but there are downsides to either alternative. You may think itās worth it, but I bet most wonāt if they actually experience it.
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Michael Wyman@drdrang that's true BUT because of my schedule I get up in the dark so much of the year now. I think there's downsides to the current system too but just having it be the same time all the time feels like a fair trade. We have states that ignore it and nothing bad has happened AS A RESULT of that.
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Justin Miller@danielpunkass @Verso @drdrang I donāt hold out a lot of hope for this given that even the dashboard and radio clocks in modern cars are often out of sync.
Mike Piatek-Jimenez@danielpunkass @Verso @drdrang I hope this never comes to pass. With the number of DST bugs Iāve had to fix that only occur on the two days of the year we transition, I couldnāt imagine having to deal with 60 days/year of time changes.
@Verso No question that the south gets little benefit from it. I donāt think itās a coincidence that it was instituted when our center of population was in the higher latitudes.
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mackenab@drdrang I just want to state for the record that this is the only logical argument for keeping the DST switch that I have ever read. I remember reading it when you wrote it, and it still resonates today. š (I still donāt agree with you. But youāre the only one even making a coherent argument.)
Jim Rea@drdrang @Verso One aspect of this 2013 article is out of date - Apple operating systems now make it super easy for programmers to handle this correctly. The OS knows all about where and when time zones change all over the world. Given a date and location, it knows what time it is. I added support for this in my Mac app a couple of years ago and was amazed at how simple it was and how complete and up-to-date the worldwide coverage is.
Other than that, great article. Iād personally be fine with year round DST, but I live in a warm climate and donāt have to get up early. The Earthās axis is tilted, so weāre stuck with inconvenient clock changes.
@provuejim How do you access this information? Is it available via a command-line tool or only through Objective C and Swift?
@drdrang Itās an ObjC/Swift API. Iām sure a command-line tool could be constructed pretty easily, along the lines of the function I added to my software to do time conversions. I wrote up pretty detailed help for this function, which I think you might appreciate http://www.provue.com/panoramax/help/function_converttimezone.html. I also wrote specific functions for looking for time zones and checking whether daylight savings time is in effect in a particular location. All of these functions rely on Appleās logic. The biggest obstacle was figuring out Appleās laconic/cryptic documentation for these APIs (what else is new?). Actually these APIs may have been around in 2013, looks like this was added for OS X 10.5.
Once I had these functions built into Panorama, I was able to create a widget userās could use to look up online Zoom training classes we conduct. The widget automatically displays the schedule in the userās local time, including any conversions needed for DST.
@provuejim Thanks! Iāll look into it and see if I can build a little tool in Swift.
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Penguin@Verso If what you say is true Iām sure DST would have ended years ago. People I speak with like the extra hour in the afternoon for school activities & travel, which is why I like it. Make it year-round so thereās no change 2x/year š
sashk šŗš¦@Verso Why not to get rid of time zones as well, and live with UTC time as a single time zone? Would be very useful.