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leyrerSTOP DOING OFFICES
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CaveDave@leyrer this but unironically
Malzi@leyrer BUT CURRENT STUDIES SAY YADA YADA YADA!!!! Our company aims to have the employees in office at least by 50% based on some studies.
Simon Zerafa
Frances LarinaMakes you wonder how many corporate board members also hold investments in commercial real estate in the cities where their offices are located. I mean, it would be a wise investment, right?
@Frances_Larina @Malzi @leyrer
It was a reasonable investment until COVID and work fro home 🙂🤷♂️
7leaguebootdisk𓅽@Frances_Larina @simonzerafa @Malzi @leyrer well, the funds that own the companies do. Should be interesting, as the work where ever companies poach the best people for less money over the next few years.
Rep Rap Ryn :3@7leaguebootdisk @Frances_Larina @simonzerafa @Malzi @leyrer that has been my observation. Cheaper capex, not having to pay for cleaning and hospitality staff, and being able to get better talent for lower wages should make it a no brainier for companies trying to pinch a penny.
TechyDad@simonzerafa @Malzi @leyrer This was just the case recently. All the headlines blared "XYZ SAYS EMPLOYEES ARE MUCH LESS PRODUCTIVE WORKING FROM HOME!!!" It turned out that the guy runs America's largest commercial office rental company. His business is literally "put people in offices so I can profit" and people were acting like he MUST know what he's talking about.
Of course, he knows what he's talking about since his real message is "give me more 💲💲💲💲."
BarbNerdy 🐿️@leyrer interessant ist ja derzeit die Immobilienkrise in Zusammenhang mit der "back to office" Geschichte zu verfolgen...
Ein Schelm, ein Schelm... der da einen Zusammenhang entdecken würde..
@leyrer also die Büro-Immobilienkrise
dasparadoxon@leyrer or at least do really cool offices, where people feel good, have enough room, can take breaks. and not just another freaking jail disguised as "office".
Óscar Morales Vivó@tomtrottel @leyrer as I tell my coworkers if they want us to come to the office they should try having offices we want to come to.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@MyLittleMetroid @tomtrottel @leyrer There's nothing wrong with our office, which is a fifteen minute bike ride from home and has all sorts of good stuff.
Except that it's not guaranteed covid free.
So I don't go there.
@TimWardCam very good point !
sabik@tomtrottel @[email protected]
Not even guarantee, are they making any real effort to manage the risk of covid in the office 🙁
ASHRAE 241 IRMM or something
That's how they tried to sell Open Floor Plan and look where it got us?
Cegorach@leyrer und die Telekom so: "Ne, dass wir allen Leuten getrennt Internetverbindungen verkaufen ist Blödsinn!"
Fordert jetzt auch offiziell konzernweit dass die Angestellten wieder häufiger ins Büro müssen…
Absolute Clown-Timeline!
Telekom-Chef zum Homeoffice-Trend: „Kommt zurück in die Büros“
Immer mehr Menschen arbeiten im Homeoffice. Telekom-Chef Timotheus Höttges sieht diesen Trend inzwischen kritisch und stellt fest: „Durch das Homeoffice ist ein hohes Maß an Vitalität in unserer Konzernzentrale verloren gegangen.“
Martin Jost@drazraeltod @leyrer
Der könnte echt lustig sein, würde er es nicht ernst meinen:
"„Durch den großen Wohlstand hat sich eine gewisse Arroganz bei uns eingeschlichen. [...] .“ Deutschland schneide etwa bei der Digitalisierung des öffentlichen Dienstes schlechter als Griechenland ab. „Und in anderen Ländern gibt es nicht so ein Chaos an den Flughäfen wie bei uns. Und Großprojekte funktionieren bei uns leider oft nicht mehr.“"
Also wenn alle brav ins Büro pendeln, lösen sich all die Probleme ?
Pickle Jr@leyrer
"Can you come into the office?" My boss via teams call who lives in a different state.
"Can you come into the office?" My boss via teams call who lives in a different state.
Two days ago:
"After ordering staff back to the office, Elon Musk didn't turn up for X's first all-hands meeting"
Saupreiss #Präparat500 🗽@leyrer Too one-sided to distribute the blame: Who the f*ck forces anyone to have to go 90 minutes by car to the office? That's the result of choices: Where to live, where to work and what transport to use.
As much as I find that "back to office" movement disgusting, it's just underinspired to blame big corps for own life choices.
sidereal@Saupreiss @leyrer In most of America, due to the cost of housing, and the lack of public transit, 30-90 minute car commutes are pretty much the only option for the vast majority of people. This is a result of big corporations controlling urban/regional development through corruption and can be quite easily blamed on them.
vascobraga@Saupreiss @leyrer "choices" you really live in another planet, don't you?
SallyX@Saupreiss @leyrer With respect, most people, at least where I live, have much less choice than you are imagining. A lot of jobs are concentrated in places where housing costs are sky-high. If you're not rich, you're probably driving. Sure, some people get lucky enough to escape this bind, but most people don't.
And unfortunately transit doesn't help as much as you'd think, because transit is most effective in the densest areas, which are also the most expensive.
b4ux1t3 
#1️⃣@leyrer look, there is something to be said for the context switch of working from a different environment.
The phrase "don't shit where you eat" comes to mind.
But, ffs, can we make the "second place" a coffee shop or, like, communal office space that's close to home?
I, for one, love my home office. When I'm done for the day, I can walk through the door and shut it behind me. I get the context switch of having a place to go to work, and I get to be close to my kids.
Walter Wißdorf@b4ux1t3 To be honest, i can't imagine myself working in a real public place like a coffee shop. When i did train transits more, i was always uncomfortable with my work contents publicly visible for example.
@dystopic hey, different strokes, different folks, I get it. It also really depends on the work.
I usually sit with a wall to my back in any case (not a paranoia thing, it's just a quirk), so that's not really an issue for me.
I've seen a few general-purpose office space facilities, and they feel like such a good compromise. They're often membership-based, so a corp could just pay for employees who want to use them to have memberships. Sure as hell beats millions a month in real-estate.
Martin NuttyThere are a lot businesses encouraging / cajoling / demanding that employees return to the office full time
Ultimately hybrid, remote and office work can make sense depending on the nature of the work being done. There is no one size fits all
What is true, is many managers feel deeply uncertain on how to manage remote workers. Many workers are rejecting the virtues of working in the round
k cavaliere@leyrer I agree, and especially in Manhattan, a massively overdeveloped island with failing infrastructure. "It's all about the address!" Vehicles are not the problem. Over-density is. I could walk to work (6 miles) faster than the ancient subways.
Typically, people in good shape walk at 2-3 miles per hour. Does it really take the subway two hours to get from your home to your work? (I have no idea, I'm on the West Coast)
@Frances_Larina @leyrer It was a local train, with above and below ground tracks, with many stops. Because rush hour coincided with school hours there were delays. By motorcycle/car I could do the trip in 30 minutes most times. Not fast.
That feels so dystopic to me. I'd already be exhausted by the time I got there.
@Frances_Larina @leyrer Not when I motorcycled to the office. That is the NY equivalent of the running of the bulls.
John M. GambleI do work from coffeehouses, not for a laugh. Working at home sucks.
Of course, the coffeehouses are all within walking distance.
CaseyTheOkayest@leyrer You’re leaving out the top benefit of on-site work: Manager ego supply.
How will bosses feel bossy if they can’t see the laborers they’re bossing?
Think how the top of the pyramid would suffer if the full foundation beneath it was happy.
Happy workers tend to feel more secure. Secure workers are harder to squeeze more work and less pay from.
Maybe that's all it comes down to?
@Frances_Larina @leyrer Yeah, job security is important. Living under a guillotine is stressful. Not sure if remote workers feel more or less secure.
I think the topic here is that many workers are voicing that they prefer remote/hybrid work, but many employers are refusing to listen.
I think the topic here is that many workers are voicing that they prefer remote/hybrid work, but many employers are refusing to listen.
It's been my experience that in the current environment, workers whose employers show they care by shifting to remote if preferred have expressed feeling more secure - and motivated. Like a skewed sample, but there doesn't seem to be much research yet.
V_Mags_Fox 🏳️⚧️:3@leyrer Companies: “That sounds reasonable. We’ll just rid of everyone’s offices and shove everyone into one huge room.”
Wait, no. That’s, that’s not what we meant.
Capitalism, drawing the wrong conclusions since the 1500’s.
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Pekka Tuominen@syklemil Office 0 minutes away, convenience to enjoy anything I've already got in and around my (chosen) home and freedom to flexibly break up my work day to fit any other activities.
Congregating at office buildings daily seems more and more like a useless habit that we're just so conditioned to we still can't question it fully. Sure, it took some learning at the start of covid, but now I find I have much more mental energy for my actual personal time on the days I've been working at home.
@pejotu
For me, home office just turns me into a potato. I don't have the energy to do anything after work from home, or get out the door. While I do lots of stuff on my way home from the office.
I think the split is both personal preference and a lot along the lines of mode share, though. Like motorists hate their commute and deep down hate getting in a car. But when you poll cyclists and walkers, they miss their commute. I suspect a lot of the people arguing against offices really hate cars
Gerald@leyrer 100% home office for 14 years and very happy with it.
AlexanderMars@leyrer I’m still waking up, and my first read through was “orifices” although I could just be projecting.
@AlexanderMars could be 😂
Kevin Karhan 
@leyrer +9001%
I quit one place because they escalated their commitment to an overpriced waterfront office so hard, literally demanding a colleague to come in twice a week and travel >500km one-way that basically everyone but the few onsite supporters quit.
Pablo@leyrer offices should provide housing at walking distance at least
Martin Gleadow@leyrer I like the choice to work in an office, it's hard to recreate accidental conversations that lead to great ideas or overheard things that lead to problem solving when everyone is remote and there is little interpersonal connection. Depends on the nature of the job though - and I can also cycle to my office and it's a nice office.
"Obliterate non-public shared working spaces" is too absolute. Obliterate double standards, poor conditions, and unreasonable expectations. Don't kill choice.
Rice@leyrer Totally agree but I am a tech in charge of other techs. We live all over the UK and have only 2 full time sysadmins in the office, and that's only because the analysts side if the company are in there.
We also have to remember some people like to be in an office with others, the social side of things effects people in different ways and constant noise, the walking round and catching up in the coffee pod is important to people.
However, totally agree that people being forced into the office is bad. We have actually downsized office space due to the number of people working better at home. Give employees the choice, but you start forcing people.and the kickback will be unpleasant for those forcing people's hands!
odd_megan@leyrer i remember when this meme format used to be ironic
Generic white guy SysAdmin@leyrer Can I say it's amusing that some of the most vociferous haters of union organising are also the strongest advocates to get back to shared office space. Management at ever level is expecting docile workers.
Mary@leyrer the bullet points seem more a problem of cars and urbanism than offices tbh
James Harris - Find my bridged Bluesky account@leyrer Businesses need to justify their real estate holdings
Drew Lusion- Vtuber of Mystery@leyrer Why does that one lady have a much bigger desk but a much smaller PC?
Nicole ParsonsThe real motivation behind the spread of "back to the office" malign influence narratives.
1. The auto and oil industry wants to keep car culture & keep imposing these un-reimbursed costs of employment on workers.
Commuting is unpaid overtime.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/opinion/elon-musk-remote-work.html
2. Cities rely on traffic stop revenue to keep suburban property taxes low. No commuting, then no revenue from speeding tickets
3. The value of commercial leases is plummeting.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/commercial-real-estate-behind-boss-113007845.html
1/3
2/3
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/09/the-coming-commercial-real-estate-crash-that-may-never-happen.html
It's more "die to save the economy" employment practices.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/dan-patrick-coronavirus-grandparents
Over 1.18 Americans died of covid. Vaccination rates remain low. If a worker is disabled by long covid, US workers have little recourse.
Americans have a health insurance system, not a health care system. Medical debt is a path to bankruptcy & homelessness.
Remote work saves lives by reducing exposure to deadly disease.
https://www.kff.org/health-costs/press-release/1-in-10-adults-owe-medical-debt-with-millions-owing-more-than-10000/amp/