STOP SAVING DAYLIGHT

* CLOCKS WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGED TWICE A YEAR

* YEARS OF 'SAVING' yet NO NET GAIN OF DAYLIGHT

* Sunset keeps getting earlier by a few minutes per day, which is sad but we can adjust to it, but then BAM we are all supposed to change the clocks so that it's suddenly A FULL HOUR EARLIER and it's PITCH DARK AFTER WORK what the hell.

"Hello I would like my saved daylight back please"

They have played us for absolute fools.

@jef bookmarking to boost this on Nov 4/5 (if I remember)
@scott @jef
On Fedilab you can schedule boost
@jef it’s MY daylight and I want it NOW
@caroline @jef CALL J. G. WENTWORTH, 877-LITE-NOW
@jef I've lived in Arizona all my life and there are many downsides, including entirely too much daylight, but one upside is that we get to point and laugh at all the states that try to save it.
@Thad @jef The amount of daylight does not change. Clocks don’t control the sun.

@jef I endorses this toot ... As a horologist ... hugz

Hugz & xXx

@jef unfortunately they picked the daylight savings time so now it's daylight savings year round!! 😂💀💔
@fixiemama The number on the clocks is irrelevant as long as I don't have to switch the them back and forth twice a year.
@jef Glad you feel so accommodating!
@fixiemama @jef I get winter SAD, so that wouldn't be unfortunate at all
@WizardOfDocs Yeah me too, but mostly because I need to get up early... I guess we'll see. But if we keep DST forever then Bangalore will never be more than 12.5 hours ahead of Silicon Valley, hooray...
@WizardOfDocs @jef As far as circadian rhythms go I like to share a trick I learned from someone who used to travel from SF to Hong Kong 4x a year -- use your "third eye" pressure point to reset your circadian clock. On the first day in the new time zone, at noon exactly, get yourself outside and hold your thumb on your third eye for one whole minute. It really helps! Even when the time change is only an hour.
@WizardOfDocs @fixiemama @jef
Our best defense against SAD is morning light. DST shifts it to the afternoon and makes us more vulnerable. Fortunately the Senate bill last year expired with no House action.
@mgarraha @fixiemama @jef got any data on that? I've always found afternoon/evening light affects me more.
@WizardOfDocs @mgarraha I think it depends on where you are, for example on one side or the other of the Rockies. I found this site which has a fun charting tool https://observablehq.com/@awoodruff/daylight-saving-time-gripe-assistant-tool
Daylight Saving Time Gripe Assistant Tool

A handy tool to help make your case when whining about a biannual time change, following earlier explorations of the geography of DST effects. Tip: rotate to landscape mode if you're looking at this on a mobile device. Measuring if—and how much—DST sucks for you While my earlier map was interesting to explore, it leaves too much room for interpretation. You don't have time for that. Your life is too awful because of a lost hour, or a gained one. You need fast FACTS. So for this map I made up a score to prov

Observable
@fixiemama @mgarraha thanks! I'm stunned by how much the map changes when you nudge the inputs.
@WizardOfDocs Right?! I like how you can set it to be weighted for a later sunset, vs an earlier sunrise, depending on your own preference.

@WizardOfDocs @mgarraha as for light therapy in the morning vs light therapy at night this is what I found, pic attached,

source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6746555/

Bright Light Therapy: Seasonal Affective Disorder and Beyond

Since the first description of Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) by Rosenthal et al. in the 1980s, treatment with daily administration of light, or Bright Light Therapy (BLT), has been proven effective and is now recognized as a first-line therapeutic ...

PubMed Central (PMC)
@WizardOfDocs @fixiemama Lewy et al. 1998 investigated AM vs. PM light therapy and even asked participants which one they expected to help more.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/204323

@mgarraha Oh thank goodness! It's just been a rumor then. Whew

thank you!

@jef Jef, I hate to be pedantic, but what you’re saying is that you want to be on daylight savings time year-round. We’re going to switch back to standard time in November and—I agree—it is the worst.
@kalagrace I don't care what number is on the clock as long as I don't have to mess with it twice a year. The number is irrelevant.
@jef haha, fair enough.
I really think congress missed the ideal moment to stop changing clocks in the fall of 2020 when time didn’t matter anyway. But now is definitely the second best time to stop the madness 🕰️
@kalagrace @jef , I dislike changing the time twice a year. I have heard the arguments for and against DST and I don't care which way we choose, just pick a time and stick to it! #DST

@jef
> I don't care what number is on the clock as long as I don't have to mess with it twice a year

I agree. Daylight Savings Time does a twice-yearly mindjob on me and any election candidate who campaigned on abolishing it would get my vote.

@kalagrace

@jef it was introduced so that factory owners could save on candles. That's it. That's the whole story behind it.

Capitalism is a scam everywhere you look closer.

@rhold @jef

Well not so much, it doesn't look like Franklin was serious when he wrote about it in Paris. The impetus in the US was to align transport timetables and force States to be consistent, the Department of Transportation manages the Uniform Time Act.

It was WWI which convinced European countries independently to have DST to save energy in the Winter.

Along with the rest of Britain I suffered British Standard Time 68-71 which was 'permanently' GMT+1.

In Computing it's just UTC.

@simon_lucy @jef but WHO saves energy at WHAT TIME?

-> The energy is saved in the daytime during working hours. Thus it's in the interest of the people controlling those hours.

@rhold @jef

In two World Wars it saved coal.
Now it still makes sense at a time of high energy costs and the impact on emissions (probably relatively small).

Before we had a highly integrated world with transport times that ignore the local time related to the sun's progress everything was local. The time was governed by the most important church or public building in a relatively small area.

That can't be true now. What is worse is the slippage between continents when they change separately

@jef @simon_lucy @rhold probably doesn’t save energy these days, lighting has become efficient, aircon is still not.

@BenAveling @jef @rhold

AC isn't common everywhere.

@simon_lucy @jef @rhold true. But rapidly becoming more common. 45c in London? That’s going to motivate a lot of ppl to get AC.

@BenAveling @jef @rhold

It really isn't and a 45°C average temperature in Summer isn't going to happen this century, London might make a 30°C average. This year, though it was the hottest Summer, didn't get over about 23°C average with peaks of a few days over 30.

London is about 5° higher than the rest of the country, on a regular day it's about 2° but it was higher this summer.

We'll just complain about the humidity as we always have.

@jef you reminded me we are never experiencing this again
@jef "Spring forward" "Fall back" - Statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged.
@jef sorry mate but I kind of enjoy changing my clock
@Flax_Vert @jef you can carry on changing your clocks if you want to. Nobody is going to stop you.
@Flax_Vert @jef
Then, how about to set 1 minute earlier for 60 days in spring, and 1 minute later for 60 days in autum? You’d avoid the harsh impact of a 1hr change by ramping up/down.
@jef they give your saved daylight to us in the southern hemisphere instead.

@jef this but unironically though

Daylight savings time is unnatural, the sun is supposed to be at its highest point at noon, and that's impossible under dst

@jef Absolutely disgusting I agree
@jef And don't forget the second shock to the system in spring when, after adjusting to 'daylight saving', an hour of sleep is snatched without cause.
@jef move away from the equator.

@jef An utter PITA - speaking as a former airline software person.

In Scotland it is especially annoying in that it is asymmetric. We have to wait another month in the Spring before we get our evening daylight. Anyway I am no longer working so I can just adjust the time I get up to compensate,

@jef Checking in from Arizona...what are you talking about?

@jef there are health benefits of sticking to solar time! So perhaps we should move back to local time. for the bigger regions the time zones is a reasonable compromise, but stick to the natural time. The idea that you can't change office hours, is rubbish as most businesses expect staff not to work to contact! So the whole idea of a fixed office day is baloney.

Perhaps just another example of how the Berks in power are out of touch with reality of all.

@jef always attribute your quotes. Erdoğan said it first 😜
@jef Native Joke: White men are the only people who think cutting off the bottom of the blanket and sewing it to the top of the blanket gives them more blanket.
@jef Wanted to live with daylight? We had something called adjustable work times for that
@jef and anyways the daylight is beyond saving.
@jef I feel bad for the people at Stonehenge, who've got to move the stones round twice a year
@jef yes I agree. But our reps never will do this.
@jef “Today we have one extra hour” STATEMENTS made up by the utterly DERANGED
@jef
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