The normalisation of the extreme-right by the centre-right in Sweden went like this.
- we will never work with them.
- we happened to vote the same way as them.
- since we know they also like this policy, we will propose it. But we are not working with them!
- our policies are based on extreme-right support so it makes sense to talk to them
- a local council will be run with extreme-right support. But never nationally!
- YOLO national government with extreme right support, it's normal now
Jupp. The German Conservative Party is currently at step three ๐
Same thing's happened in the Netherlands.
Apparently when I joked ten-ish years ago that we'd get recognised as an honorary Scandinavian country eventually, a finger curled on the monkey's paw.
@Loukas the fascism never went away though.
It just went quiet. They masked their intentions.
But they were always there.
@Loukas oh no I didn't mean it as a correction more a comment.
Where I live we still have survivors from the 2nd world war who are split on weither they supported Facism or not. A few, but it's had an effect.
The vote tends to be high for right wing candidates and when I say right wing, I mean extremely right wing.
The UK where I'm from originally also had quite a few powerful influences that are fascist leaning.
They never left, just rebranded and played into Eurosceptisim.
@Loukas but I've always seen Facism and the far right as like the Hydra in Greek mythology.
The last head of the Hydra was immortal, so there always was a danger the Hydra could come back and poison Lerna again.
Which is what is happening now, the far right are always waiting to poison our democratic processes.
@Loukas but I've been where you are, watching in horror.
It was a shock, watching the UK descend into what it is now. But the thing I hadn't realised was the attitude and acceptance of the far right had always been there.
They just got permission to be more open about it.
@onepict @Loukas Iโve been yelling for decades now about how there is a certain red line that should not be crossed in political discourse because it always leads to bad things.
That line is talking about other humans as though theyโre less than human. โParasitesโ and so on.
I blame the edgelord internet โfree speechโ brigade, now personified by Elon Musk, who were weaponized to get Trump elected and normalized that attitude in the real world.
Kindness is dead.
@Loukas Same here in France, with the particularity that Macron got elected with votes of the left to "block extreme right".
Not only isn't he blocking anything, but now, he "governs" with the votes and help of extreme-right at parliament.
@Loukas Denmark has avoided step 7: "center" parties adopt sufficient racist politics from extreme-right parties to keep power and even win back voters.
For instance, the law to take jewelry from Syrian refugees in 2015 was proposed and implemented by a "center" and "liberal" party.
There are many other examples of how racist politics have become adopted by the Danish social democrats and liberal parties, but I'll spare you...
Meanwhile, the right-wing knows to keep pushing for more.
@Loukas the far-right is fragmented, but none of their political gains have been reversed.
These parties (Nye Borgerlige, Stram Kurs, DF and Danmarksdemokraterne) are not good at general politics, but they are good at the xenophobic parts. Combined, they are at ~14% of votes in 2019 and 2022.
These parties probably know how dysfunctional their politicians are for the purpose of having ministers in a democratic government. Otherwise, they just have to look at Finland or Sweden.
@Loukas
It's a mix.. a) their politics have been mainstreamed and b) the right-wing lacks a leader (they're unable to collaborate otherwise)
In 2015, DF had more votes than Venstre (the center-liberal party that formed government).
DF chose not to use mandates for government seats but instead focused entirely on pushing racist policies.
Influence in general politics is more a risk than opportunity for them. All their voters want is to show their anger at foreigners, especially muslims.
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