InfraredAces ♠️Aug 8, 2023
As if I didn’t already have enough reticence regarding fgcOS, Arturo defending Gootecks’ personal beliefs and political views (aka antivax, Q anon conspiracy, inciting right wing violence at the capitol) make me even less inclined to wanting its widespread adoption.
Show threadT5F TiZAug 9, 2023

Since nobody’s saying it, I’m gonna.

“FGC OS” is just Windows, so it’s still gonna suck ass in the same way Windows sucks ass!! He’s not doing anything special. He’s just debloating the same piece of shit that will still turn to mush if a controller even looks at it funny.

The answer is Linux. I have been using Linux to run games at my local for the past several years. Controllers plug in and simply work. My scene uses Steam Decks for multiple games, most commonly Strive, Tekken, and Calibur. It works great! If they ever drop SteamOS 3.5, Streets 6 frame pacing will improve to where it will be more viable than PS4s.

Art is just selling snake oil to people who don’t know better and/or refuse to consider the Penguin with the legitimacy it deserves due to decades of social conditioning against it.

Show threadMissingno.Aug 9, 2023

@tiz @InfraredAces I always hoped that Steam Deck could be adopted as the ultimate cheap portable setup for locals and poverty events. Don’t even need a monitor!

Originally I’d hoped the Switch could be that, but of course it was never going to be adopted when PS4 was already entrenched.

Show threadInfraredAces ♠️Aug 9, 2023
That is not a thing I was expecting someone to say… Switch takeover as a tournament viable setup? Is the Switch capable of that?
Show threadMathias Wolfbrok on FGC NetworkAug 9, 2023

@InfraredAces @missingno @tiz I mean Smash does it, even has the physical locks for it, so it would be possible for the few FGs Switch has… Assuming they’re up to date and run at a constant 60, so that kinda limits us to, like, Power Rangers, FEXL:AD, Them’s Fightin’ Herds and Skullgirls right now

It would however be a good excuse to start pushing ARMS and Pokken again (Granted you still need two Switches by setup for these)

Show threadT5F TiZAug 9, 2023

Okay, pump the brakes. “Is the Switch capable of that?” The answer is “hell no”, full stop. Switch is not viable as an FGC standard. A lot of the games we play are entirely absent because they would not run well. The Switch was underpowered when it came out, and it’s even worse now. Not to mention that you can’t get it to pay attention to third-party controllers unless you softmod it or get an adapter.

The Steam Deck is viable as an FGC standard. All of our games do run on it. They all have a way to push a continuous, steady 60. It accepts all controllers as long as they have USB-A or bluetooth. And it runs Switch games too, if we really want to get into those weeds.

Show threadResident StevilAug 9, 2023
Are you basing this claim on facts or assumptions?
Show threadT5F TiZAug 9, 2023
What the hell kind of question is this? Facts, of course. All of the statements I made are verifiable. Is there a specific claim you take objection to?
Show threadResident Stevil
Well it occurs to me that the whole "Switch is underpowered" meme has permeated its way into becoming fact when the console is capable of quite a lot in terms of performance, maybe not at the PS5/XSX level, but if the Switch wasn't capable of running these fighting games, they wouldn't been made for the console in the first place. I'm not saying that every console should be replaced with a Switch, but it seems like specious reasoning to me to say that the Switch isn't viable when it hasn't actually been used in a tournament environment.
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Show threadT5F TiZAug 9, 2023

The meme did not “become a fact”, the meme exists because it already is a fact. You can look up the specs for the Switch and see for yourself, starting with one big one: The Switch has only 4GB of RAM. Every PS4-generation game requires an absolute minimum of 8GB. The Deck has 16GB. Here’s another one: the Switch’s 4 ARM CPU cores only go to 1.02Ghz, and they don’t have hyperthreading. The Deck’s 4 x86_64 CPU cores have two threads a piece and go up to 3.5Ghz.

if the Switch wasn’t capable of running these fighting games, they wouldn’t been made for the console in the first place

What do you mean, if??? A wide variety of PS4-generation games are completely absent. Do you see Tekken 7 on the Switch? Street Fighter V? What about Guilty Gear Strive? SoulCalibur VI? King of Fighters XV? What about even Xrd? SF4? Tekken Tag 2? Even PS3-generation games are absent. And obviously, you can completely forget about Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8. I think NRS is insane for wanting to target Switch for MK1 while also targeting the current-gen consoles. There’s no way they will stick to it.

It hasn’t been used in a tournament environment because the games people want to play are not on it. Meanwhile, outside of Smash, every other game that is on it is also on a more powerful console. You can’t make a console the standard when it just doesn’t have the games. And it doesn’t have the games because the Switch is weak. That is the bottom line.

Show threadlulolwenAug 9, 2023

@tiz I don't agree on the reason for not having PS3-generation ports: to me, the financial incentive just isn't there. Engines older than ~2005 or so are comparatively simpler, reducing cost-to-port, and older games tend to be out of print building demand over time, so "retro" ports are more likely to turn profit. Given that SF4 only uses ~300MB RAM and can simulate @ 300FPS on a single core of a modern PC, I'm pretty sure the Switch could run it.

Hard agree on everything newer than like ~2013.

Show threadMathias Wolfbrok on FGC NetworkAug 9, 2023

Honnestly this is why I’d argue Xbox 360 backwards compatibility for the One and Series was the best thing Microsoft did last gen, the risk-return ratio on releases or rereleases does diminish a lot when the platform holder’s providing the emulator (Plus it’s “free” good PR, see Red Dead Redemption)

Now if only they applied that to 3rd Strike Online instead of Capcom releasing their piss poor 30th Anniversary collection

Show threadlulolwenAug 9, 2023

@MathiasWolfbrok @tiz 1000% this.

SF4 is still playable in the MS ecosystem 100% due to MS's efforts to preserve BC, both on Windows and on Xbox. SF4 is still playable in the Sony ecosystem is because Sony paid for the PS4 port of SF4, and then PS4-on-PS5 BC preserved it into the current generation.

Nintendo missed on all of this- the Wii couldn't run it and the Wii U sold terribly, so there's no BC leverage (or even a shared API!). It'd be a totally fresh port, which is a hard sell.

Show threadlulolwenAug 9, 2023

@MathiasWolfbrok @tiz Let's say a hypothetical SF4 port on the switch would sell for $25, because that's what it's currently selling for on PSN: even if it sold 50,000 copies over its lifetime, that's just over 1 mil USD. That's like, 10 people's salaries for a year- it'd barely break even.

That's even assuming it'd sell 50000 copies, which is bold given that it's $4 on Steam on a regular basis and the market for the game is already heavily saturated because it never went out of print.

Show threadMathias Wolfbrok on FGC NetworkAug 9, 2023

I mean 50k for a popular nostalgia bait game on a mass market handheld seems reasonable (Remember, comparatively the Deck and its handheld PC pals aren’t mass market) Not worth, but reasonable

I don’t however see KOFXIII reaching that number

Show threadlulolwenAug 9, 2023

@MathiasWolfbrok @tiz SF4 never reached the level of commercial inaccessibility that games like 3rd Strike or Marvel 2 did during the 2000s (Dreamcast bless), nor does it "look old" in the sense that it has janky polygons or spritework, so I hesitate to say it'd sell on nostalgia- SF4 still "feels modern" in a way that many games don't.

Put another way, SF4 feels more modern today than SFEX felt when SF4 came out, and SFEX and SF4 are closer than SF4 and SF6.

Show threadMathias Wolfbrok on FGC NetworkAug 9, 2023

@lulolwen @tiz TBF I think there could be a whole debate as to what is nostalgia/modernity and how much that feeling gets amplified by the “handheld factor” but I think that’s a conversation for another time

I’m pretty sure a lot of the copies for Tekken 5 DR and Tekken 6 on the PSP were sold on the premise of “Wow, Tekken on a portable”

Show threadT5F TiZAug 9, 2023
I think SF4 owes this to having fairly good models and a very distinct art style. And those are the two things you need most to make a game that looks good on Switch anyways. Like, it’s not like people don’t make good looking games on Switch; they just lean on art style, because that makes it much easier to cut corners for performance than if a game is realistic or otherwise indistinct.
Show threadphi1997Aug 10, 2023
@lulolwen
SSF4 was on 3DS. USF4 absolutely could run on Switch
@tiz
Show threadMathias Wolfbrok on FGC NetworkAug 9, 2023

Yes the Switch doesn’t have and won’t have the main games we play on it, and neither will Switch 2, that much is clear and I think is understood by most. Nintendo consoles will never be standard, and the most standard they’ve ever been was for Tatsunoko VS Capcom

That being said Switch is in a very odd place with what it does have. For some reason it has technically the most feature-rich version of DBFZ with the 3v3 local mode, for some reason SamSho’s online there works better than the PS4 version (At this time) and for some reason Smash’s online works worse than its Wii U counterpart. And I wold argue as strictly a TO platform it’s not half bad, especially compared to PS4. I don’t bloody know what the Switch is at this point, but at least what it does do I feel it does well. But I really don’t know what the Switch is at this point.

So in short, would the couple of games that are decent on Switch be runnable on Switch and maybe even benefit from it in some places? Yes. Is it gonna happen? F*ck no, we have 10 years worth of PS4s in storage which can do everything else, why bother borrowing Switches from the Smash community