e(Ag)leJul 23, 2023

I posted about switching to Firefox as my "daily driver" browser as a little tiny step away from Chromium browser hegemony, and I had a ton of people in the replies suggesting I should just use Brave or Edge or Opera or Vivaldi instead.

I'm a little concerned that people don't realize just how pervasive this problem is. Every single one of those sits on top of the Chromium codebase.

yangfanjiJul 29, 2023
Show threadJulio J. 🀲
@silvereagle
Jul 23, 2023 at 10:56pmWeb
Show threadFluxJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle even Firefox is basically forced to go with whatever Google choses. Mozilla are basically a subsidiary of Google thanks to how their funded
Show threadLegion495Jul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle Me using Librewolf.
I am special. I am the minority of the minority xD
Show threadRagnell the Mildly UnpleasantJul 24, 2023
@Legion495 LIBREWOLF PACK
Show threadLegion495Jul 24, 2023
@ragnell
Show threadPhantom Kitty (Tech)Jul 25, 2023

@Legion495 @j3j5 @silvereagle I keep giving Librewolf a try, and running into things like I can't log into my Amazon account using it that keep pushing me away.

I use Firefox specifically with the NoScript plug-in so that limits what I can do with it (intentional since NoScript makes some sites usable that otherwise are not due to javascript spam on them).

It is very frustrating that choice seams to be use Chromium or disable NoScript so I can use Firefox instead.

Show threadLegion495Jul 25, 2023
@phantomkitty @j3j5 @silvereagle I use default with a few addons. And enabled some cookie exceptions but Amazon works for me (EU).
The only major thing I encounter sometimes is that the canvas Blocker breaks something and then I enable it.
Show threadPhantom Kitty (Tech)Jul 26, 2023
@Legion495 @j3j5 @silvereagle Maybe I have something configured wrong in Librewolf. I may have tried locking it down too much. Time to dig into the settings!
Show threadLegion495Jul 26, 2023
@phantomkitty @j3j5 @silvereagle The only website which refuses to work is Twitch. I have not tried changing the agent yet.
Show threadPhantom Kitty (Tech)Jul 28, 2023

@Legion495 @j3j5 @silvereagle I have a special extension in Edge specifically for Twitch that makes it work better for me. So I will problably keep using Edge only for Twitch.

I have not had a chance to go through my Librewolf settings to find what may be wrong, work has eaten up all my extra time this week. So that is a weekend project for me.

Show threadZergling_manJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle
Show threadmittornJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle
Show threadniarbehtJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle It's wild to me how khtml basically took over everything.
Show threadRhewJul 24, 2023
@j3j5
Spent 30 min moving to Firefox yesterday
@silvereagle @SpotTea
Show threadJørnJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle There's still Safari, but yeah..
Show threadWydamnJul 24, 2023
@jornane @j3j5 @silvereagle the problem with Safari is that they barely meet with any current web standards, let alone contribute to them in any meaningful way. Google can pretty much do what it wants, and Mozilla has to decide whether it follows or tries to push back.
Show threadJørnJul 24, 2023

@wydamn @j3j5 @silvereagle I’m really happy with Safari being able to push back, on account of it the only browser on iOS and therefore unable to ignore.

Apple having a browser monopoly isn’t a good thing, but currently that’s the lesser of two evils.

Firefox cannot reasonably push back against Google keeping a high pace in developing standards, because users can be forced to use a different browser.

Show threadTobsenJul 25, 2023

@wydamn @jornane @j3j5 @silvereagle Seems not to be the reality anymore:

https://wpt.fyi/interop-2023?stable

web-platform-tests dashboard

Show threadTomJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle Firefox FTW.
Show threadGurre VildskäggJul 24, 2023

@j3j5
Just give me the straight Chrome instead of these half-measures!

mostly kidding.
and been using Chrome exclusively for a long time. FML.

Show threadapaluJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle do this again but for search engines that are Bing 😔​
Show threaddatenwolfJul 24, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle
Show threadNihl L'AmasJul 25, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle It figures it would be something like this.
Show threadFlorian WeidnerJul 25, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle OMG! I truly had no idea but it makes so much sense!
Show threadArmeris 🔻🇵🇸 ⁂Jul 25, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle there is Safari too :D
Show threadRitzgaJul 26, 2023

@j3j5 @silvereagle sadly yes :c

And Firefox gets money from Google so that Chromium is no monopoly.

Show threadnitrofuranoJul 28, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle so unfair... where is Waterfox??? :(
Show threadLuis VillaJul 28, 2023
attn @davidthewid
Show threadDavid Gray WidderJul 28, 2023
@luis_in_brief it's chromium... chromium all the way down.
Show threadcameronbosch Jul 28, 2023
@silvereagle @j3j5 I wish we had more options, but given Firefox is on its last legs...
Show thread💉😷🌿🇺🇦🇺🇳🇪🇺Oiselarius (he/him)Jul 28, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname DuckDuckGo?
Show threadVanfred MoglJul 30, 2023
@Oiselarius @j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname Browser
Show threadChristopher E. StithAug 2, 2023
@HatWahnSinn @Oiselarius @j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname how do you mean?
Show threadVanfred MoglAug 3, 2023
@cestith @Oiselarius @j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname web browsers are the topic, not search engines.
Show threadChristopher E. StithAug 3, 2023

@HatWahnSinn @Oiselarius @j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname

The fuck are you on about?

https://duckduckgo.com/windows

https://duckduckgo.com/mac

https://apps.apple.com/app/duckduckgo-privacy-browser/id663592361?platform=iphone

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.duckduckgo.mobile.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dstatic-atb-static

DuckDuckGo - Protection. Privacy. Peace of mind.

The Internet privacy company that empowers you to seamlessly take control of your personal information online, without any tradeoffs.

DuckDuckGo
Show threadVanfred MoglAug 3, 2023
@cestith @Oiselarius @j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname
I am a smartphone boy,
and a google toy,
not a smartphone girl,
in smartphone world!
😗
Show threadChristopher E. StithAug 3, 2023

@HatWahnSinn @Oiselarius @j3j5 @silvereagle @Glupinickname

I thought the topic was web browsers, not alternative lyrics to Aqua songs.

Show threadIsocat now → @[email protected]Jul 29, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle @toolbear I _almost_ get this. I get the movie reference (psst, by the way, they live…) but what is that blue logo ×8 in the lower panel?
Show threadChristopher E. StithAug 2, 2023

@Isocat @j3j5 @silvereagle @toolbear

That's Chromium

Show thread13 barn owls in a trenchcoatMar 15, 2024
@Isocat it's the Google Chromium logo, on which all the top browsers it replaces are built (sorry if this was a joke and I'm being dense. It's late and my brain is literal.)
Show threadIsocat now → @[email protected]Mar 16, 2024
@HauntedOwlbear Ah! Thank you. Now I get it.
Show threadPaolo RedaelliJul 29, 2023
@j3j5
I wish #webkit - that I like remember having sprouted from #KDE - had a wider place on the web. OK #apple and #gnome #epiphany use it but the list of unusable site with them is sadly too long! 😢
@silvereagle @jhansen
Show threadJulio J. 🀲Jul 29, 2023
@paoloredaelli
It's crazy that KHTML was the seed that started all 🌱
@jhansen
Show threadKevinOnEarthJul 29, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle
And of course Tor is based on Firefox.
Show threadHugh Young-BishJul 30, 2023

@j3j5 @silvereagle

That's doubly clever because the glasses have the reverse effect from EnChroma glasses, but you still end up bursting into tears.

Show threadnkJul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle I thought brave was a Firefox fork
Show threadnkJul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle damn, did I think wrong. Also Eick, ick.
Show thread🌈 breaking ranks.Jul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle didn't know that, thanks for the boost @texttheater!
Show threadKennerJul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle Use Firefox
Show threadFKA ZOGJul 30, 2023

@j3j5 @silvereagle

from

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/browser-developers-push-back-on-googles-web-drm-wei-api/

https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/31955

Browser developers push back on Google's “web DRM” WEI API

Google's plans to introduce the Web Environment Integrity (WEI) API on Chrome has been met with fierce backlash from internet software developers, drawing criticism for limiting user freedom and undermining the core principles of the open web.

BleepingComputer
Show threadnSonicJul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @Migueldeicaza @silvereagle OBEY!
Show threadbcplJul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle They Browse
Show threadTomJul 30, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle see also this art by @davidrevoy https://www.davidrevoy.com/article982/fighting-for-the-open-web
Fighting for the open web.

David Revoy
Show threadIain ShepherdAug 2, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle saw thumbnail and first thought was “oh no moz they got you too 😢”
Show threadH.PumaAug 27, 2023
@j3j5 @silvereagle
every problematic browser.
keep linux mint prfessional mint, Duckduckgo browser, and vpn shild windscrib, or prfessional free vpn and proxy shild. (vpnbook) every microsoft prduct every time spy : googl.
Show thread🐜Jan 27, 2025
@j3j5 @silvereagle where r SeaMonkey, Lynx, Links, eLinks, etc.?
Show threadElias ProbstJan 27, 2025

@j3j5 if you dig deeper, it's all just #KDE's #KHTML deep below the surface... (except of Firefox) 😄

@silvereagle