deprofessionalization and capture of some of our ‘alternative media’ journalism outlets too. No one should be relying on this simplistic theory to explain our media systems in 2023.
(That’s before we even get to talking about his propensity to give uneducated views on conflicts he knows little about.) see for example https://twitter.com/emmalbriant/status/1511809990788624385?s=46&t=3czCWs1yDKtm7GmMoLrmSQ 4/
Its certainly very difficult to navigate the media landscape these days
Chomsky's model is very flawed indeed deeply flawed, frozen in a certain period in US history, I think many of his arguments about the nature of US MSM being tied to the Pentagon and WallStreet are still true, Chomsky has always had trouble dealing with propaganda that isn't american, and has a long history of whatabouting and genocide denial, and his linguistics are also bad
Attacking journalists and this extreme factual relativism is terrible, but I think people have many legitimate reasons to distrust "mainstream" media, who themselves have been purging investigative journalists for decades. CNN or almost unwatchable.
Still, outside of scattered independent journalists, small outlets like the Intercept, there really is no viable "alternative" that can replace a professional newsroom, which is why all the void was so easily filled by psuedo news agency's like RT, Telesur or worse. It's a lot cheaper to do zero investigating and just have pundits AdLib.
I get my news from AP, Rueters, All Jazeera among others btw
So with the fascistic hatred of the media this is in part the fault of the US media, they fired all their journalists and became increasing mouth pieces for the government and corporations, there was a long process where Americans stopped trusting the media ( the Iraq war, occupy wallstreet) and grifters from Alex Jones to Glen Greenwald were able step into that vacuum of legitamacy.
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This does not sound like spreading disinfo to me - I hear Chomsky arguing for factual accuracy. He says the Khmer Rouge committed atrocities, the US bombing of Cambodia was no better & concluding "it is not proper to lie either in defending the crimes of your own state or exaggerating the crimes of your enemy."
Fidelity of facts is what we need more of in these days of the Trump-inspired dumpster fire of disinfo that's destroying democracy.
https://youtu.be/f3IUU59B6lw
You have the advantage over me if being an expert in the field.
However, my reading of your source material is that Steven Lukes' primary criticism of Chomsky appears to be that he finds him "pedantic." With the context of Chomsky's argument in the YouTube vid in mind, it appears Lukes is misconstruing or distorting Chomsky's pt, which is that Pinchaud's figures were presented & accepted as factual when they were not. He acknowledges the precise numbers are unknowable.
Did anybody here actually read those books? The whole gag was condemning US foreign policy while also bitching about The New York Times' terrible access-driven foreign policy reporting. It's still a favorite leftist past time, "propaganda" wasn't being used as anything more than an insult.
@emmalbriant I like to compare Herman & Chomsky to Isaac Newton — brilliant, passionate, insightful, and who developed revolutionary and foundational theses which were highly useful but which were nevertheless incorrect in almost every way.
Personally I’d like to believe those biases and errors arose not through any major fault of their own, but simply because like physics, sociology & politics is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than we can know.
@emmalbriant lmaaao so you are saying Chomsky, under the context of 'fighting misinformation', cant be a guide for fighting misinformation because, according to you and your people here, he SPREADS disinformation.
Im extremely curious. What disinfo did he spread about Ukraine, specifically?
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