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Greg Gadren Jul 14, 2023

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)

Holy shit.

"…they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned, get one day’s pay, and their companies should own that scan, their image, their likeness and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity on any project they want, with no consent and no compensation."

WTAF 😳 https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/13/23794224/sag-aftra-actors-strike-ai-image-rights

Hollywood studios proposed AI contract that would give them likeness rights ‘for the rest of eternity’

As part of a press conference announcing the SAG-AFTRA strike, it was revealed that the AMPTP was looking for aggressive rights to AI images of actors.

The Verge

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)Jul 13, 2023

Well that blew up. I don't have a SoundCloud, but I do have other stuff I publish related to generative AI…however you really should just go to the source and support the work of the DAIR Institute. @timnitGebru, @emilymbender, and the rest of the crew there have been sounding the alarm for a long time now and some have paid the price for it. We owe them a debt of gratitude.

https://www.dair-institute.org

DAIR Institute

The Distributed AI Research Institute is a globally distributed organization of academics, activists, and engineers conducting community-rooted research.

DAIR (Distributed AI Research Institute)

Danny Blue Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite oh fuck right off. They are unbelievable.

freeformz 🏳️‍🌈Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite capitalism at its finest.

Paul W.Jul 13, 2023

@freeformz @jaredwhite Sigh. Right? Just... not even surprising. Their strike is the only thing that is going to make a dent in negotiations.

@jaredwhite why should that shit be legal at all?

Dieu Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite it's becoming quite obvious that it's high time for some very serious beatings.

Cassandrich Jul 13, 2023

@hllizi @jaredwhite Beatings at neck level using a classic French invention.

Cassandrich Jul 13, 2023

@hllizi @jaredwhite Perfect timing! https://phire.place/@zompus/110709186377106022

zompus (@[email protected])

Oh hey tomorrow is Bastille Day.

phire.place

Dieu Jul 13, 2023

@dalias @jaredwhite sharp beats

Joanne Jacobs Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite one of the many reasons why I feel everyone should watch that particular episode of Black Mirror.

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)Jul 13, 2023

@joannejacobs I should watch it, but I stopped watching the show some time ago—not because I didn't like it, but because once it clicked in my brain that it was prophetic, not merely fantastical, it scared the living daylights outta me 😬

Joanne Jacobs Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite it's uncomfortable and it's meant to be.

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)Jul 13, 2023

@joannejacobs Whoa…that episode *is* absolutely phenomenal. And bonkers in light of what's literally happening right now.

Wait…am I real? 😂

Joanne Jacobs Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite Charlie Brooker is a genius.

SkellySoft Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite @joannejacobs That's the exact reason I couldn't keep watching.My antidepressants aren't powerful enough for that shit :/

Joanne Jacobs Jul 14, 2023

@SkellySoft @jaredwhite this is one episode that you probably should watch. It's terrifying, but it's also funny and even a little sweet.

Don't watch the second episode of the season though. It's amazing, but it's a Greek Tragedy and fundamentally depressing.

SkellySoft Jul 14, 2023

@joannejacobs @jaredwhite Oh uhh, are you talking about San Junipero? That one I have seen, my housemate showed me. I still found it kinda melancholy, but it was sweet. I've seen that one and all of the first series :p

Joanne Jacobs Jul 14, 2023

@SkellySoft no I'm referring to the first episode of the third season. @jaredwhite

eyrea 🇨🇦Jul 14, 2023

@joannejacobs @jaredwhite Or else The Congress. It's all about an actor who decides to sell her 3d image to a studio and retire. (The actor plays "herself", which gives it some lovely extra twists).

Patrick Chizeck Jul 13, 2023

This is what it is all about. If the actors and writers accept that AI can be used in place of them then they've effectively forfeited their future.

rhizome Jul 14, 2023

@chizeck
I'd like to see some actors and writers announce the formation of a new studio where the executives will be replaced by AI.
@jaredwhite @seachanger

Pappy Jul 13, 2023

I mean, if they're paying $50,000 per day, maybe, but can you imagine giving up your likeness, in perpetuity for an extra's day rate. AI has given media executives brain worms.

@infosec_jcp 🐈🃏 done differently Jul 13, 2023

@Pappy @jaredwhite

* 'Defo nyet wot was paid for this. Nope.

Barbarossa Jul 14, 2023

@Pappy @jaredwhite 50k for a lifetime? Maybe for 50m we could get talking. If they want to let "me" work potentially for the next 1000 years I'd want a lifetime of pay for that.

Supportive Tree-based lifeform Jul 14, 2023

Wall street's entitlement to other people's lives seems to have no limits, no boundaries. At some point these people need to know fear.

Steve Hersey Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite
To be fair, they didn't also require those performers to remain permanently chained in a basement in case the studio needed a rescan, so the studios aren't *entirely* unbending.

@infosec_jcp 🐈🃏 done differently Jul 13, 2023

How about...

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kira :3 Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite this is my new favorite episode of the nanny

Ana Rodrigues (moved!)Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite wow. Still haunted by how a filmmaker told me (years ago): "I can't wait for it to be possible to use any dead actor in my films".

My naive self didn’t think we’re already at this stage. Awful.

Joe ❌👑Jul 14, 2023

@ohhelloana @jaredwhite We aren't yet at that stage for principal performers, but it looks like we are reaching that stage for background performers (extras). Looks like they think they can stop hiring people, just CGI in scans of people who got paid for one day's work.

ferricoxide Jul 14, 2023

@ohhelloana @jaredwhite

Rogue One and others didn't tell you we've been there for a while? Primary difference here is in who retains ownership of the likeness.

Ana Rodrigues (moved!)Jul 14, 2023

@ferricoxide @jaredwhite never seen that film 😊 I actually haven’t seen a lot of films for a while now, sadly.

ferricoxide Jul 14, 2023

@ohhelloana @jaredwhite

Sad: it's about the best film of the Disney era (at least if Empire was your favorite from the original trilogy). :)

Kaker Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite this is totally shitty, but can't help to wonder how long until they don't even need to scan them, just make up 3d scans like you can do pictures.

Kevin Patrick Doyle 🍅🥫Jul 13, 2023

Carl Anderson Jul 13, 2023

Holy shit is an understatement. What a horrible starting point...

Anvil of Truth Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite Fuck Hollywood-Big Entertainment, their greed, shortsightedness and shareholder gluttony makes me sick to my stomach!

RS, Author, Novelist, Prosaist Jul 13, 2023

…they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned [for a single payment] ... [and] their likeness ... should be able [to be used] for the rest of eternity...

At some point all human labor will be replaced by automation.

At that point no humans will earn a living.

Who are they planning to sell to, then?

Huh...? You say they'll give it away from free. FOTFLOL.

#BoostingIsSharing

#AI #automation #luddite #hollywood #writer #writers #screenwriting #writersOfMastodon #writingCommunity #cominglaborapocalypse #chatgpt #sag #sagaftra #SAGAFTRAstrike
#SFWA

Aurora B (FKA James D) :firefish:Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite Joan is Awful was quite timely satire.

LisPi Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite lmao they actually expected anyone to accept that offer?

Quenby Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite I think I'll just stop watching new media then. There's enough old stuff. I won't participate in this.

@jaredwhite holy fuck

ProtectiveHen Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite There is a false capitalism/tech culture of fatalism - as if for some reason human decisions are predestined like natural acts and cannot humanly be opposed, stopped, banned. Capital is now seeking to make workers unnecessary. Society will crumble if people can't work and have livelihoods. We must all oppose this crap with all our might.

PhDog 🇮🇪Jul 13, 2023

Meanwhile TWICE is out here bring a live band on their tour for the first time.

belikekramer Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite mantra

:animated_verified:防空識別區ᴏᴜᴛᴇʀɴᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴀʟ:adm1::adm2:Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite Pretty surreal and dystopian.

GB Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite all the actors and writers should band together and create their own production company with favorable terms in a contract and undercut the AMPTP instead of putting up with this nonsense

Anton Hill Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite like the #blackmirror #waldo episode...

Beeks Jul 13, 2023

@jaredwhite piracy is moral when you're taking from unethical corporations, change my mind.

OSCrane Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite Nobody but a sentient, autonomous Italian suit would think up this shit... It is shit like this that is why I believe entertainment industries should either be entirely government funded, or at the very least, VERY heavily regulated.

Lewis Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite They will probably generate ai people for this. The tech is already in play. Another job lost to the machines..

PirateRo Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite it just means they want to use technology to rob you. It also means they don’t have deep knowledge of technology because they can make a better you with superpowers and they can save time and money on that scan. Or you.

David Marshall Jul 14, 2023

There is an old science fiction story* that has android copies of actors, running "pre-recorded" performances on stage.

But even that dystopian vision had actors owning their likeness and performances, and being paid residuals every time "they" appeared on stage.

*The Darfsteller, by Walter M. Miller Jr.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Darfsteller

The Darfsteller - Wikipedia

Jill Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite Yet another Black Mirror projection as reality.

Badwolf303 Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite But who will watch the movies & shows when the people in the audience are replaced in their jobs by robots.

Liam Hughes Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite
Should be unconscionable and illegal as a matter of public policy.

stux⚡️Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite isn’t this what Keanu Reeves presented kinda in the Unreal Engine 5 ‘Matrix Demo’?

SamHughes Jul 14, 2023

@jaredwhite AI is coming and no one can stop it. What needs to be done is figure out what the displaced workers can do to make a living.
AI is running many vehicles, ikea, auto manufacturers etc. Japan has used AI to do their news broadcasts. Think about it. The AI figure does not collect a salary, take a vacation, get sick or go out on strike. What company would not like to us AI to make more money!
Governments and artists had plenty of notice of AI coming. Nothing was done to regulate it.

Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)Jul 14, 2023

@Nostradamus Congratulations on giving up when the fight has only just begun.