Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads | Semafor

The threat suggests that Threads is the most serious rival yet to Elon Musk's chaotic social platform.

@mmasnick
I don't think Zuckerberg will have to poach Twitter employees - Musk got rid of about 75% of them himself
@deeceeteeee @mmasnick The letter doesn’t say anything about poaching. I thought the term use was dumb when applied to former employees. I was disappointed to find the wording in the letter is reasonable. It’s still dumb in that “dozens” of ex employees were hired. Like, no shit, you fired thousands of employees some were bound to find employment at competitors.

@mmasnick "Elon Musk is not only stranger than we think, he is stranger than we CAN think."

-- Werner Heisenberg, probably.

@mmasnick @jobsboils Elon Musk is afraid to challenge John Mastodon to a cage match.

@jobsboils @mmasnick

I told y'all he is a nutter.

@jobsboils @mmasnick That would explain a few things.
I hope this means #Threads is getting under Elon's skin. I have zero love for Zuckerberg, but I like to imagine that when billionaires fight it out, the rest of us may somewhat benefit.

@mmasnick

#Bluesky, which directly competes with Twitter, has hired Twitter employees & all 3 Board members worked at Twitter. Bluesky has plainly been using Twitter IP, trade secrets & confidential information to accelerate its development. The attraction to its users is that it is basically a copycat clone of Twitter - but Musk has never made a peep about it. And never will.

That should tell perceptive journalists & observers something very important about Bluesky

@chargrille @mmasnick I agree, but perhaps you could dispense with the critical thinking elitism, and educate those who haven't worked out what you have?

@jscholes @mmasnick

I'm mainly talking about the tech press, but I'll edit that to clarify, thanks.

@mmasnick

In this context, it should also be noticed that Bluesky is the only competing platform that Musk has never tried to ban, or used his unilateral power at Twitter against (to try to stop Twiitter users from encouraging other users to switch to it).

I would expect tech journalists on this beat to explicitly note this for their readers but I'm not sure that I've ever seen it.

@chargrille @mmasnick Someone might think he is using twitter to feed his silkworm, and meta is trying to prey upon it while in the cocoon. Cool.
Just because twitter is too complex for reshaping at his whim.
@chargrille has bluesky really been plainly using twitter ip etc?

@trinigod

I would be absolutely gobsmacked if they had not. The key Bluesky people, including Dorsey & Twitter project lead-turned-CEO Graber, were deeply exposed to Twitter’s inner workings & code & tech strategies & algorithms from 2019 to 2022. Dorsey probably through the present day. Regardless, any claim that could be drafted vs Facebook could be alleged against Bluesky just as plausibly, if not more so.

@chargrille @trinigod I accept your point about him not responding to Bluesky but given that he spent $44Billion on Twitter I can’t see any plus side to him supporting Bluesky

@Nigel_g

#Bluesky was invented as a protocol for Twitter.

To transition Twitter to a platform where they could monetize eyeballs & rage farming, while plausibly telling congressional hearings on disinformation campaigns that they *couldn't* deplatform or ban Nazis.

Jack has many times said he thought it was the wrong decision for society to ban Trump from twitter for inciting violence *during the Jan 2021 coup*.

Nazi content stays on Twitter & proliferates. That's the plus side.
@trinigod

@chargrille @trinigod Thanks, I had thought it was an alternative to Twitter started by Jack Dempsey
@mmasnick I thought it was a windup when I first saw it.
@mmasnick I understand that some companies have a no-compete clause when people leave a company, but I'd like to argue that it can't possibly apply if you've just gone and sacked a whole lot. And as for trade secrets... Really. There's nothing that any software people do that other software people can't work out and replicate, and Facebook's had FriendFeed's IP on its books for years so knows a thing or two about social networks already.
@neonbubble non-competes are unenforceable in california.

@mmasnick @neonbubble Not about non-compete, apparently:

"You don't need a non-compete to bring a.misappropriation claim in CA. It's irrelevant to proving the elements of the cause of action, which is why the Quinn Emanuel letter doesn't even mention non-competes."
https://progressives.social/@chargrille/110671902934722533

Erin Conroy (@[email protected])

@[email protected] You don't need a non-compete to bring a.misappropriation claim in CA. It's irrelevant to proving the elements of the cause of action, which is why the Quinn Emanuel letter doesn't even mention non-competes.

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@mmasnick
It's cheap to threaten something idiotic
@mmasnick "Twitter builds time machine, goes back in time and sues authors of USENET News' threaded news reader, trn."
@mmasnick The Threads app was so basic, I could have written it over the weekend.
@mmasnick All those former twitter employees at a loose end...
@mmasnick just a few months ago twitter's code was a piece of crap in need of a complete rewrite by his hardcore guys.
@mmasnick
In a shocking move Zuck hired many employees Elon had previously terminated.
@mmasnick it's the narrative he can spin on why twitter failed https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1677042708756439041
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“@TitterDaily Competition is fine, cheating is not”

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@mmasnick
Interesting that X claims that the employees, they fired, continue to have obligations to Twitter, beyond intellectual property protections, especially when you think about how intellectual property really works in the software development industry.

Also keep in mind that courts have ruled that non-compete clauses are unlawful and unenforceable.

@mmasnick I will now sue my neighbor for having a nicer house than I do, which damages my brand.
@kimlockhartga @mmasnick *in court* and their CHRISTMAS LIGHTS WERE BETTER THAN MINE! don't even get me started on the skeletons on the porch for halloween!
@mmasnick First Microsoft, now Meta. Musk must have a heluva legal department.
@mmasnick Mike ... this is Elon we are talking about, I have complete faith that you really could have predicted he would do something this dumb.
@mmasnick Absolutely incredible. We’re in the part of the movie where my mouth is agape in disbelief

@mmasnick My favorite part is “these employees had and continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets and other highly confidential information”

Like, Twitter, whose fault would that be? Twitter, did you *mean* to say that you never cut off these former employees’ access to Twitter’s internal systems? Because that’s basically what you just said there, Twitter.

@mmasnick but it's better than a cage fight.
@mmasnick "competition is fine, cheating is not" is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen a capitalist tycoon write.

@mmasnick Can you even sue over trade secrets? I thought they had no legal protection, it's on you to keep them. That's the whole point of patents, to add legal protections for inventions.

But yeah, fire a bunch of your employees, don't be surprised if they take jobs elsewhere.

@mmasnick Having just watched Welcome to Chippendales, I can't help but notice the similarities between Musk and Steve Banerjee. Chiefly thinking you own an idea and anyone who does something similar is cheating you
@mmasnick Also, they way they got successful by riding more talented people to the top, yet want all the credit and to not acknowledge there was any luck, or other people involved in their success
@mmasnick hilarious. This thing will have been in development for months. And that final quote is golden “no former Twitter employees on the threads team”.
@mmasnick Don't worry, it's really a spectacle for your consumption and distraction about the plans going on behind the scenes.
@mmasnick yes and not that his lawsuit requires a serious response, but considering they built it on top of Instagram does he really think in the span of a few months Meta onboarded all these folks, had them ramp on a completely foreign codebase and magically sprinkle secret Twitter sauce on everything?
@mmasnick Gets truer every day...
@mmasnick "Obviously this can only be resolved by hand to hand combat, while the Star Trek fight music plays." - the judge, hopefully

@mmasnick

Almost makes me want to create a Threads account.

@mmasnick
MySpace also threatened Gravity founders back when they were realizing their own demise. IMO It's always out of fear and never amounts to any real legal action.
@mmasnick right, like we're expected to believe he can afford the legal bills
@mmasnick how do you poach if you let go most of your staff? Why didn’t they sue when mastodon became a thing? Or even Apple’s iTunes Ping?
@mmasnick
Your Simpsons-esque avatar makes me think of the likely identity of Musk's counsel.
@mmasnick your Elon Moderation speedrun curve was so so so spot on.
@mmasnick extremely pathetic - but that's Elon's way, right?
@mmasnick Is Post.News really considered to be a competitor to Twitter ?!