Paul Haddad 
Meanwhile.
I’ve seen a lot of doom and gloom about Threads and the fediverse. I don’t personally have a problem with it. More people on the network is IMO better. No algorithmic timeline means you are still following who you want to follow, gatekeeping seems silly.
Pierre@paul if that’s true there’s no way twitter can compete. More people off that site, the better
andrewsehmann@paul Sure Jan.😆
Aozaki@paul soon™ sometimes means forever.....
Andrew@paul it is a little disorienting seeing a company as large as Facebook using "fediverse"
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katy ✨@paul So if you log in to Tusky with that can you bypass all of Meta's permissions on their app?
MrClon@pixiekat if they implement mastodon client interface* and do not do something like registration only in their app** you can use Tusky or whatever as threads.com client and do not install official Threads clients (ergo it's permission irrelevant for you).
But why do so if you can use any client with tech.lgbt or any other instance and still communicate with threads.com users?
* I see no reason for facebook to do it
** I have no idea does Threads require addition registration or you can just use facebook/instagram login and password without additional actions (i doubt)
Reinald Freling@paul .net?!! what a terrible choice of tld 🤮
.il would have been great: “i” for the needle and “o” for the hole being threaded
Slade Watkins@paul probably only launching like this because they wanted to rush it out the door now that Elon's bird is circling the drain
Saigyouji 🇪🇺🇩🇿@paul also bluesky will do it soon
Dan Andrus@paul would y’all consider a bsky client?
Veedems@paul that’s great though. I can follow the news agencies and government agencies that will clearly move over and be able to stay mainly on Mastodon. Federation is awesome.
John (he/him) 
@paul I think Tumblr said the same thing almost a year ago…
afastaudir8@paul I hope most instances defederate them
Kevin Burke@paul this reminds me to ask, can you use your new ios app with Bluesky?
Tim@paul Personally, as long as it interoperates ok with everyone else, it means all the artists and bands and everyone else who is still only on instagram and Twitter will probably be here too. Which is good.
Alexey Skobkin@paul
This exactly.
This exactly.
SkyLander@paul I guess the one point I've seen that makes some sense is that with how activity pub is if you're federated with Meta they will scrape/sell data from your instance. I will admit I am pretty ignorant in this area and how that functions.
Dominic :emoji_wink:@SkyLander @paul they can do that regardless.
Jérôme@SkyLander @paul but they can do it already. Anyone can connect to the fediverse or even web crawl from the website public page. It’s not private. They don’t need to build a public facing client to crawl it.
Erik Cunningham@SkyLander @paul they can do that without an app or users. Could be doing it right now if they wanted to without anyone really knowing. My concern is when they start using lots of money to change how things operate, there are lots of ways that can happen.
@SkyLander everyone can scrape public data from any activity pub instance without such efforts. Old-good webscraping, fake user subscribed to target everyone, relays…
Thom Holwerda@paul It's going to push ads into Threads users' feeds. These ads will leak out into the wider Fediverse. In fact, Facebook is intending to pay instance admins to accept these ads - which is probably what the infamous NDAs were about.
I definitely see a problem with that.
Scott Small (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Based on this post: https://beach.city/@vantablack/110594120842443355 My understanding is that Meta will be pushing ads to users of its’ app/instance, but other instances that federate with Meta will have the option of whether to allow its’ ads or not (for more compensation to the admin). While I’m not opposed to Meta being on the Fediverse in principle (I’d love to be able to interact with my IRL friends and family from here), I personally draw the line at pushing ads to users of instances that federate with them, more specifically, to anyone who isn’t using Meta’s own instance or software. Any instance that allows Meta’s ads to federate should be defederated.
@thomholwerda @paul how would ads in a Facebook client leak into other clients? By what mechanism?
@jerome @paul The gist is that Facebook intends to pay admins of big instances to carry the Facebook ads from the Threads instance.
Scott Small (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Based on this post: https://beach.city/@vantablack/110594120842443355 My understanding is that Meta will be pushing ads to users of its’ app/instance, but other instances that federate with Meta will have the option of whether to allow its’ ads or not (for more compensation to the admin). While I’m not opposed to Meta being on the Fediverse in principle (I’d love to be able to interact with my IRL friends and family from here), I personally draw the line at pushing ads to users of instances that federate with them, more specifically, to anyone who isn’t using Meta’s own instance or software. Any instance that allows Meta’s ads to federate should be defederated.
@thomholwerda @paul youre stating it as a fact while it’s a rumor (a very unlikely one!)
If you think the admin of your instance can be bought that way, what would prevent a spyware company to pay them to inject fake toots with spywares in it? Of course our instance owners could be corrupted, but they would be corrupted by a lot worse. That’s why we have groups or non profit to manage them. And you can easily migrate to other instances, which is what prevent a lot of those behaviours.
Compuguy 🐱@thomholwerda
@paul I'm honestly curious here. Would a silence versus a full block work while restricting these ads? 🤔
@paul I'm honestly curious here. Would a silence versus a full block work while restricting these ads? 🤔
davidj@paul I agree. I can understand the downside about a big corp, especially one with Meta’s reputation, but if it gets more people into the Fediverse and off Twitter, let it happen.
Kevin Whalen 
Manni
Earthy Tonez@paul If the system is not resilient to something like this that seems like a problem.
Matt ⎊ 
@paul Fediverse admins going to have their hands full blocking Threads on launch day
Andrew Douglass@paul I think it’s fears of “embrace, extend, extinguish” and generally feeling gross about a company heavily invested in harvesting the world’s user data getting involved.
I don’t think Meta (or most large tech companies) are good stewards of the web as a free and open place, and they have a huge uphill battle to gain acceptance, let alone trust or respect from the community of people that are already on the fediverse.
Tormod HalvorsenSince the Fediverse is already pretty open, I would be surprised if harvesting of user data and content is not already in full operation. Any tech bro can read the whole thing, using bots in slow read-only mode, right? Gotta feed that AI monster in their closet...
Elliot Ronen@paul Agreed. The best part about Threads is that we’re all already on Threads! Kinda.
MJ@paul you seemed annoyed with how Meta didn't meet with client devs ahead of time... https://tapbots.social/@paul/110596313183839321
Paul Haddad :tapbots_logo: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] not meeting with any client devs though…
Charlie Fish@paul 💯 couldn't have said it better. Absolutely no need to gatekeep. You are in control of your experience. Super easy to unfollow/block someone.
Heath Borders@paul they can overwhelm the Fediverse with traffic and make their service the only one with reasonable uptime
Sepideh@heathborders Are they going to be on their own instance? Can admins block them?
@sepdroid admins are blocking FB/Insta hosts now.
Mike Shields@paul still worried they’ll do some shit when they get enough people on it that breaks federation - subsequently taking their ball and doing their own thing a la gtalk
Travis La Marr@paul I think it all depends on Meta’s moderation. If they went to inject ads into their own mastodon client eh. I guess that’s up to them and if people want to subject themselves to that.
Since it’s just basically masto under the hood at least from what my limited reading shows couldn’t any masto client connect to it?
Noah St. Amand@paul I agree. I don’t really get the “Mastodon is hard” narrative (maybe because I went almost straight from Tweetbot to Ivory :-), but if Threads allows me to avoid using Meta software but still be able to interact with people who prefer a big company behind their social media, that seems like the best of both worlds.
Nick@paul there’s no way they won’t extend it in ways that excludes the existing instances and then try to run the concept of federation into the ground whilst becoming the biggest instance. I hate to say it but history repeats itself constantly and you can find example after example of corporates pulling this exact behaviour.
Dale Nash@paul hopefully we don’t go the way of XMPP
Jon@paul so I'm wondering how it works - do we all sign in with Instagram and get a new ActivityPub compatible handle like @[email protected] - and if so, what then stops us using Ivory (for example 😘) to sign in? Instagram is the only Meta product I still regularly use and have done since before it was acquired when it was essentially a Twitter companion app. I'm certainly interested in how this plays out - but I'm still very happy with Ivory and Mastodon tbh.
Colin Devroe@paul I hope they allow Ivory to use Instagram account login and that you hit tens of millions of paid users. ☺️
Andrew Briscoe@paul I’m glad that it should strengthen your business, even if you don’t directly support it. I am fine with the will of the fedizens but would prefer to see how it is with them joining before making any decisions. But I sympathize with those who want to ban them immediately. They make strong arguments.
FreediverX@paul
See you in a future episode of Leopards Ate My Face…
See you in a future episode of Leopards Ate My Face…