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evacideIf you're asking "Why don't Americans riot like the French?" but you also complain whenever there's a protest and someone breaks a storefront window, I see you and you make me so goddamn tired.
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J.R. Orci@evacide
I miss general strikes.
I miss general strikes.
Dreaming of dad jazz.
Le Néandertal se sent las, las
Jay@evacide Does France have militarized police that will kill citizens with impunity?
Phlawless@synoisia @evacide The reason the current riots broke out is precisely because militarized cops killed a (young brown) citizen with impunity
I've commented elsewhere about "Left-wing American exceptionalism" which assumes that US cops must be more horrible than everywhere else
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/493080/france-riots-shot-teenager-s-grandmother-urges-calm
@daphlawless @synoisia @evacide 3 years ago, French cops killed a guy name Cedric Chouviat, who was driving a scooter. They put a knee on his neck until he died. His last words were "I can't breathe". Sounds familiar?
(Yet the French police kills "only" 40 people per year. That's much less than in the US of course, even accounting for the population size)
Guillaume Rossolini@HydrePrever
This figure of 40 takes into account all their activities, not just riot control
It appears that he died two days later, though?
cf. Page 26
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/sites/minint/files/medias/documents/2021-07/igpn-rapport-2020.pdf
@GuillaumeRossolini he had a cardiac arrest on the sport but was reanimated later
@HydrePrever @GuillaumeRossolini I asked because every time someone would post on Twitter that "Americans should riot" we see video of French citizens throwing firebombs and punching it out with the French police, where like just in Akron Ohio recently the police immediately gassed a peaceful protest and stole protestors cars.
The way things are shown makes it seem like the French citizens largely act without the consequences American's face.
They have been hurting individuals here too, whether intentionally or not, and taking part in a peaceful protest can get you a lost eye or unwarranted beating
Quite unsafe either way
The report I shared earlier states that half the complaints against our police are about physical violence. In 2020, that was about 450 investigations that led to proposed disciplinary action against 122 agents.
So there is a form of accountability, but I don’t know if it goes all the way
@synoisia @GuillaumeRossolini well really, we've got our share of mutilated pacific manifestants, and many very symbolic deaths too, whether in a manifestations context or after a simple police control. I assume you've read about Nahel, I've pointed Cedric Chouviat, there's Zyed Benna and Bouna Traoré, Rémi Fraisse, Zineb Redouane... It's probable that there's a difference in scale, but the idea that the French can riot or even manifest pacifically without facing consequences is not founded.
Farce Majeure
Accept purpose.@synoisia That's what they are rioting about this week.
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ReallyCanadianFly@evacide
Not that the French are perfect by any means (ergo the rioting) but that's probably why the French have so many rights and privileges now. A long history of serious actions that makes any politician nervous. When they riot, they mean business!
Not that the French are perfect by any means (ergo the rioting) but that's probably why the French have so many rights and privileges now. A long history of serious actions that makes any politician nervous. When they riot, they mean business!
Carey@reallyflygreg @evacide There was seriously someone on the TV news the other day saying that the rioting was "unprecedented" in France, and I'm thinking
they made a popular musical about one of their revolutions, and it wasn't even the biggest
Mr. Fred 🔥@evacide also in Europe the cops bring water hoses not tanks, and American voters consistently vote for the guys that buy the police bigger rifles
Pierre H.@evacide also, the George Floyd protests were pretty much that no?
noahlz@madcoder @evacide not really. They were largely peaceful (except when militarized police acted out), and what arson there was false flag by boogaloo types.
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_whos-behind-violence-george-floyd-protests-us/6190522.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_whos-behind-violence-george-floyd-protests-us/6190522.html
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@evacide I wonder if it's an economic thing too; maybe the French are better protected with welfare and minimum wages, whereas the most hard-done-by Americans are so busy eking out a living for their families that the idea of protesting or rioting – very immediately imperiling their lives and freedom and future employability – is just too terrifying to commit to. Pretty handy situation for the government and wealthy, of course...
Stu Duerson, machina exo deusBack in the Halcyon Days, I "summered" in Sitges, Spain, south of Barcelona. There was always a strike going on for most of the summer, in Barcelona. The European way of life is significantly different than ours, to their credit. Their systems haven't radicalized, like ours has. There's still room for a bit of drama, without blowing up.
Quokka@evacide It's one thing I like about the French, they're only ever a gnat's wing away from a strike or a good riot
lorddimwit is now @I hate the "transportation/whatever is better in Europe because population density" but I do sometimes wonder: about 20% of France's population lives in the Paris metro area, whereas about 2% of Americans live in the DC metro area.
In other words, when the French protest in their capital, they're able to bring a lot more pressure to bear, relatively speaking, on their national government.
Eeeee Woooo@evacide @tess yep. Damage to insured property is a protest tactic. It’s a way to get noticed. It’s not violent. No idea why people don’t get that. Violence has to cause harm and a window that will be repaired in hours at no cost to the business just isn’t harm. I know y’all know that. I’m just getting it in writing that I believe this. Consequences be damned.
That said… how we spend our money can be protest. What we wear every day can be protest.
Every opportunity to protest matters.
june@evacide I don't think those are the same people
Gaëtan Duchaussois@evacide some people in france compare riots here to American ones. Those cross references are very strange.