It still takes a while before Meta(P92) joins the Fediverse and the recent times we have read a lot of things from both sides
Polls are not super reliable but maybe it will give a better overall picture of what you, the people using these platforms want
The result will not be the definite outcome for us but I do take it into heavy consider because I love you all very much!
"Would YOU want to federate with Meta's new platform?"
**please do share this post
The more people voting the better the overall picture ❤️
thank you
The fact that they insisted on NDAs being signed before they'd talk with instance admins does not bode well.
If they can't be open with _all_ of us, they shouldn't bother.
That said, I'm taking a "wait and see" approach. I don't actually block any instances at this time, but may revise my position if they give me good cause to do so.
@ATellurian @stux Agreed. Though I have this feeling people will go to their Twitter clone, because lots of people people don't care about things like "freedom of speech", decentralization, etc. This blog post covers a lot of those points: https://blog.bloonface.com/2023/06/12/why-did-the-twittermigration-fail/
I think the biggest thing here is that Meta's Twitter clone (P92) hasn't even *launched* yet. What we know is bits and pieces at the moment. Though at this point, we do have a good idea of what Meta *wants* to do...based on Facebook...
@stux one important aspect regarding Facebook (at least for US users) is the presence of small businesses. I do marketing for small locally owned businesses such as restaurants and tiny retail stores. These businesses drive local culture and they have a strong Facebook presence.
Facebook may be the only viable onramp for them to enter the Fediverse. As a group, they are not tech savvy at all.
But if people don't want ANY kind of business on Fediverse, my point is null and I also will fight you to the death that small business is not an important aspect of life and culture.
Great point!! One of the most interesting/compelling points I've seen in this debate in a while!!
Is the fediverse a platform that would actually work for small businesses though?
The whole interface facebook provides with events and opening hours etc, is totally lacking on most platforms, apart from maybe friendica but I don't know the details there.
Which isn't to say that the fediverse shouldn't want to. Just that it might not be ready for small businesses, sadly.
I don't know if the Fediverse will solve those issues for small businesses, but it should be amenable to participating in solutions that help them. I currently run a small SaaS that is used by a few small business districts and the greatest problem I have is lack of interoperability between the website and their social media.
These types of businesses don't have marketing managers who can get it all to work out. Typically they abandon their website in favor of social media because they don't get many visitors there and eventually they'll even abandon all but one social media platform. It's too difficult to properly reach out through multiple channels without a dedicated marketing person.
Could small businesses figure out instances? They would just QR Code it. Small businesses haven't found a problem yet that they wouldn't attempt to solve by turning it into a QR Code.
Sometimes I'll send someone a link and they'll reply, do you have a QR Code instead?
The other day I was waiting in my car at the lights when I noticed the van in front of me—with business graphics—had small Facebook, twitter and Instagram logos alongside a username that was common to them all. He was a tradesman, and he was using them to expanding his reach.
It struck me that it wouldn't be possible to do that easily on Mastodon without knowing their instance as well. Just a name and Mastodon logo isn't enough info.
I see a lot of discussion about the fear that corporations and VCs will take over the #fediverse. The thing is, #Mastodon going mainstream will require a lot of capital and development of new products and innovations for this ecosystem. And that is perfectly ok, as long as everyone connects to the protocol, and the protocol itself stays away from the hands of oligarchs. If you prefer your local coop to host your account instead of Mozilla, Vivaldi or some other larger entity, that's great. But it's also totally fine that those bigger players are offering theirs, because it pulls in a lot of new members to this ecosystem. The main corporate takeover attack vector to the Mastodon ecosystem will not be the servers, but the mobile app. It is possible that one VC-backed mobile app becomes the single winner with most Mastodon users accessing the ecosystem with that. The owner of such an app will wield a lot of power over all servers and service providers in the ecosystem. Algorithmic feeds and fuzzy search are both inevitable mainstream features as the ecosystem grows. People need those to be able to use the platform effectively. This is fine too, as long as there's no single algorithm dominating, and especially if the algorithms are built transparently with users being able to choose their own algorithm. There are going to be many points of contention as the ecosystem grows, but for the sake of humanity, let's allow decentralization of social media to happen. Let's also allow VC-backed startups to flourish building services for all of us. We have the momentum now, and it is a rare chance to take back the power from corporate overlords, and rebuild the social internet as an open platform for innovation! Would you agree?
im not gonna check their platform each day@stux well you added "but maybe block later", so it feels like a natural complement to that option? 
Not saying you should change the poll now, of course! That would screw up already cast votes! 
@rysiek true
Hmm.. perhaps
@stux My initial response is NO, fuck them.
But I want to see what they are proposing to do.
I doubt I'll change my mind but hey, stranger things have happened.
I would think this would be the same as any other instance: the posts that are relevant to your users based on follow relationships.
cc: @stux
Block from start, Meta's reputation is consistently horrible in terms of human rights, privacy, treatment of staff etc.
They're the opposite of what the Fediverse should be.
Have you also blocked all emails coming from gmail accounts, because gmail is owned by Google?
Block from start, Google’s reputation is consistently horrible in terms of human rights, privacy, treatment of staff etc.
They’re the opposite of what Email should be.
You realise that Google blocks emails coming from small independent providers, right?
It is really difficult to set up indie email now because of all the roadblocks by the major players.
They are doing everything they can to shut down choice in email.
We can expect exactly the same thing on the Fediverse if major corporations get a foothold.
I have my own email servers. They are used for business purposes as well, so they send out quite a lot of emails and I would discover very quickly if Google no longer acceps our emails. I never experienced any problems sending emails to gmail accounts (as long as I adhere to the latest anti-spam policies, like DKIM, DMARC, etc. and making sure I’m not on any spam lists).
Even then, you prove my point. Despite the horrible policies of Google, we all still continue to send and receive emails to/from gmail accounts… So why should we treat Meta different than Google?
@stux As others have pointed out:
they’d want to block plenty of things that we post—it’s not just about the fact that they’re a shower of nefarious Cunts.
@stux what I want to know is:
What would the bandwidth usage look like? I don't run an instance yet, though I've been considering starting one (and have reserved at least two potential domain names). But if federating with meta (metarating? fbederating?) is going to utterly crush the affordability/operating costs of the system, that might be a no-go.
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