Advance, the company that controls Reddit, would be wise to replace the CEO whose mismanagement and arrogance has led moderators of thousands of subreddits to go private in protest.

Put someone in place who realizes that the communities made the service in every way that matters.

Maybe Advance is hoping the protestors will go weak-kneed (as so many people on Twitter have done, sadly) and return.

Moderators, please, please don't back down on this. Stay dark.

(Corrected re extent of strike..)

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@dangillmor This is exactly what needs to be done. Probably the only way to restore both companies image in some way. If Huffman stays the brand is ruined.
@dangillmor I've already moved to Lemmy. Now I'm playing chicken with the API deadline vs deleting all my contributions. #RedditMigration
@deegeese @dangillmor I’m on the fence re: deleting my posts/comments. On the one hand they’re my thoughts, on the other they may be useful for people still on Reddit.. I’ve requested all my data to be provided to me, and will make my decision closer to the 30th..
@linusbergman @dangillmor Its ego telling you it helps other people, while Reddit's own actions are telling you it helps their IPO more. No more unpaid labor for tech VCs.
@deegeese @dangillmor Maybe…decisions, decisions…
@dangillmor It's a significant strike, but definitely not 93% of all subreddits. Most are tiny basically unmaintained subs and the mods haven't even logged in since the controversy.
@wrosecrans @dangillmor I believe this is a misunderstanding on his part What has happened is that 93% of the subreddits that pledged to go dark have followed through, not 93% of all subreddits.

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Those account for negligible user traffic, so they don't really matter.

@wrosecrans Thanks, I've edited to reflect that.

@dangillmor Everything I know about life in the C-suite would fill... a matchbook. Maybe. If I write big.

With that in mind: What are the odds a CEO (like Huffman) would undertake such a radical change, such an extreme new direction, without coordinating with his own superiors?

Do we have any reason to think this whole situation isn't the result of marching orders coming directly from Advance? What would that look like? Might we expect Reddit execs to make a halfhearted AMA barely defending a policy they disagree with?

#reddit #protest #blackout

@WesternInfidels @dangillmor conspiracy time: the strike action actually helps the IPO since it shows what a strong community reddit has - they peddle back and keep it, then the IPO looks even stronger - the API pricing is a fakeout

@dangillmor The #RedDark site unfortunately doesn't tally what subs are going dark indefinitely or for how long, and it also makes the closed-but-public ones look the same as the open-and-public ones like AskReddit.

I don't see it happening but I think enough subs have decided to go dark indefinitely that it might actually hurt them enough to care.

@dangillmor Simply stop supporting corporate-sponsored social media like #Reddit, #TikTok, #Facebook, #Instagram, and of course, #Twitter!

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A CEO is always behind the shit; workers, the true innovators as we've seen, will be the owners soon enough.

This ain't partisan: this is facts!

Feels good to have left. Time to start new and see what the web has to offer. I keep seeing this Lemmy thing mentioned so I think I’ll look into that.

@dangillmor For context, I was a daily active Reddit user and I’ve deleted the Reddit app this week to remember not to “accidentally” use it, I’m exploring Lemmy now, which ain’t half-bad so far.

My reason: I hope this CEO arrogant dude to be fired. I don’t have high hopes that the third-party apps will be saved in any meaningful way, and that’s sad but that’s ok to me; my goal is for this guy to be booted off, and it feels realistic, considering the poor handling of the situation and the likely poor growth metrics as a result.

Will I come back if he’s out? I dunno, Reddit was really nice but not exactly indispensable to my life. And Lemmy really doesn’t suck as a replacement, so…

@dangillmor It is such a mind bogglingly stupid decision by a company that relies entirely on their users to even exist.
@dangillmor 3rd party app devs wouldn't even mind if API fee was reasonable. 20 million a year for an indie dev whose income is solely based on donations is just absurd. Maybe he's making alright money for cozy life, given how iPhone users generally don't mind paying, but it's nowhere near million numbers. Any million numbers.
@dangillmor everyone is trying to monetize like twitter did. Charging for APIs.
For reddit it doesn’t make sense when its all supposed to be open and transparent

@dangillmor they won’t. The CEO wouldn’t be CEO if his actions weren’t in line with their overall strategy and values.

If they replace him because of the poor PR, his replacement will be someone more or less identical.

@dangillmor I don't think this is actually about third-party apps. It's about data scraping by AI companies that train LLMs using Reddit as a dataset. More importantly, they're upset that they don't see any cashback on that.

Had it been about third party clients using too many API calls, they'd just tie the number of API calls to the user auth, and force users to get Gold if they want to use third party clients after exceeding a certain call limit.

It's not about the ads, that's just a plus.

@dangillmor the worst part is even if he is fired he probably gets a nice little golden parachute as a nice little reward for throwing his company down the toilet.
@dangillmor You should read Doctorow's "enshittification" article. It explains this phenomenon quite precisely.
@dangillmor Staying dark for 24-48 hours does nothing. Stay private indefinitely OR until Reddit officially goes public. THEN they will feel the pain.

@dangillmor Reddit is known to take over unmoderated communities of certain sizes. They put in their own people as moderators and try to find additional (free) mods further on.

The current moderators can't stay dark. But they can get replaced.

@dangillmor I very much agree. It seems that a lot commenters on the Reddit blackout don't understand what the moderators do and how their work is why Reddit is successful, its why I'm on Reddit. #redditblackout

@dangillmor Hi, one of those Reddit Moderators, here.

One of the goals of the protest — and IMHO the most attainable — is to have Reddit Admins stop stepping on moderators’ feet … not for the sake of a relationship with Reddit, but so we can *actually serve our communities*.

We don’t “do free labour for Reddit”. We volunteer to run communities. Those communities backed a 2 day protest. Closing subreddits indefinitely harms those communities.

@dangillmor I think the cat is out of the bag now. Any potential investors will be hesitant to value a company whose product can be kneecapped by users and, in particular, moderators who disagree with the company’s issue of the day. I wouldn’t be shocked if the ability for a subreddit to go private is curtailed and Reddit engages a team of loyalist (perhaps even paid) moderators who will step in to keep subs open while the usual moderators protest.
@dangillmor But the new mold for CEO's (and many leader positions) is belligerence, bad decisions, and doubling down. I wonder where that playbook came from 🤔