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Eugen RochkoI think it would be amusing if Reddit did implode over this. It'd be entirely self-inflicted... The site is only usable with third party apps.
RebekahWSD@Gargron So many social media places just doing their best to absolutely implode lately
Yohan Yukiya Sese Cuneta 사요한🦣@RebekahWSD And I support them, LOL, because people are moving to the #fediverse network. ;P
EDIT: To clarify, of course, the main goal since the fediverse was born in 2008 is to bring down the walls.
But, if they start to implode their own walled community, well, they chose to do that so… I guess “‘thank you’ your users are moving to the fediverse”. ^_^
SJTheGreat06 
@youronlyone @RebekahWSD @Gargron Exactly! They're indirectly supporting the Fediverse! Twitter users migrating to Mastodon and Reddit Users migrating to Lemmy...
Ben Pharris@RebekahWSD @Gargron If you haven’t seen this highly worth the read, covers this non stop cycle we’re seeing https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
gh0sti 
@Gargron spez is trying to run the site into the ground by shoving his head up his ass and not listening to his users.
@gh0sti @Gargron
Shoving his head up TikTok's and/or Facebook's ass, more like it. 'Cause that's how they seem to be trying to "standardize" and monetize it.
Goddamned IPOs. A blunt hammer, and every situation looks like a nail to these myopic consultants, in classic hostile takeover fashion: companies bought, gutted, then sold as a shell to investors fooled that it turned a profit, because they nickled-and-dined the place to the ground.
João Tiago Rebelo@Gargron one of Fediverse's strengths: so many apps work with it and most have so much customizability that there's one for everyone.
Sharon Gibson Morgan@Gargron What third-party apps are being disabled at Reddit?
Patrick Johanneson 🚀 🇨🇦@SharonGibson3 @Gargron Any that don't want to pay ludicrous rates for API access, as I understand it.
James Harvey@SharonGibson3 @Gargron they want to charge outrageous prices for the API (Apollo would have to pay $20 million/year). Thousands of subreddits are going private, some permanently, in response.
Alan Miller 
🇺🇦@SharonGibson3 @Gargron technically they're not being disabled, but they were given a 30 day window to radically revise their businesses and applications (to move to a subscription model) and almost all of them have instead announced that they will cease to function on June 30.
@fencepost @Gargron I didn't know Reddit had 3d-party apps. Are the apps something that moderators and developers use?
Corey Norlander@SharonGibson3 @fencepost @Gargron For many years Reddit had no official app and when they created one it was missing hundreds of features and had a less intuitive UI than the apps individuals had created to fill the void and it still does. By consequence most people who joined Reddit any time before the last couple years all use unofficial apps and this was supported by Reddit up until now.
Sascha Bösch@SharonGibson3 @Gargron All, unless you charge your users exorbitant ammounts of money for usage.
Stephen Smith@SharonGibson3 @Gargron Not disabled but charged out of existence. And so far the ones which have confirmed they have to shut down due to not being able to afford the new API price includes Apollo, Redditisfun, Reddplanet and Sync as far as I know. I don't see an announcement from the app Boost but the dev says his situation is the same as Apollo. Baconreader hasn't announced anything, and Relay & Infinity are attempting to go subscription only.
antipode77@Stephen304 @SharonGibson3 @Gargron
@christianselig
This was about the developer of the Apollo app on apple for reddit.
He did a fast calculation and concluded reddit would require him to pay 20 million per year at the quoted pricing.
To add insult to injury the new pricing would be activated in 30 days. When he mailed questions about the issue, they answered him after a full week or a quarter of the 30 days.
Then they held an AMA, which did not really answer questions.
@Stephen304 @SharonGibson3 @Gargron I've used BaconReader for quite a while now and it does show ads; that might influence Reddit's decision to let it continue.
unlofl [Promoted Toot]@Gargron I've seen several people defend this with "old.reddit.com is still good!"
... Yes, and I'm sure it's days are numbered as well, I'll be leaving when they shut that off, Reddit has been making everything worse for a while now.
Nathaniel@nathaniel @Gargron right? And old Reddit wasn't perfect from a ux perspective, but had that elegant "web 1.0" simplicity that made it very efficient to use with multiple tabs. Also, the RES "Reddit enhancement suite" was a browser add on that clearly showed what features the community valued, and they just didn't borrow from it.
oshy@Gargron Couldn't have said it better myself
I signed out and I'm staying signed out until Apollo is confirmed to be allowed to continue operating
@Gargron Unfortunately, they are chasing short-term gains and the almighty dollar, the way only corporations do. Good riddance!
@Gargron they might enter the “find out” stage soon enough. We’ll see I guess.
Administrator@Gargron I mean... really? Am I the only person in the world that thinks Reddit's default web app is fine? :/
S0x41
Ms. Penny Oaken@PennyOaken @s0x41 @Gargron If it's moderators that are driving this protest, that makes a lot of sense. Mods on reddit are... opinionated people. Their voices are probably also amplified far more than regular users.
It's probably why I see lots of news articles about this issue... but until this month, I didn't even know reddit third-party apps *existed*.
Which is interesting: mods are a very, very small part of reddit's total users, but they're also a very *important* part of those users.
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endeavorance 🕊️@Gargron I think it’s most likely gonna end up just causing old time users to migrate and they’ll have to pivot to a new target demographic or something.
I mentioned this situation in a few recent videos and I’ve gotten a loooot of comments from people who aren’t even aware of the concept of a 3rd party app. Then, their first instinct is to defend the company’s “right” to only have the proprietary app.
@Gargron I just deleted several decade+ accounts and I’m seeing many others do it but there’s a stark divide there
Aaron Antcliff@endeavorance Just deleted all my comments and content too. Hard to believe I’d been on the platform in various capacities for nearly a decade, but this feel like the end of Reddit in its current form.
Nandor 🏳️🌈@AaronA_74 @endeavorance I feel that way too--i.e., that it will be the end of Reddit in their current form. I'm really appalled at how their CEO is digging in his heels.
@endeavorance @Gargron I’d even consider that argument if it weren’t for the factvthat Reddits own app is unusable, drains my battery for reasons I don’t get, has halve the features of Apollo and rarelly gets any upgrades. I’m happy to pay for Apollo and I have, but Reddits API pricing is ridiculous and only serves as a “fuck off” not as a geniune service offer.
beq@endeavorance @Gargron I don't know. Maybe they've just had enough of footing the server cost bills and paying the developers' salaries with no noticeable income to mention apart from ads business, which, for all we know, might be diminishing. Maybe they'll shrink a little (or a lot), but end up with some sort of balanced budget. Traffic might go down, but so will server costs, and ads money might go up a little, when more people start using their official app. I think a lot of I-don't-cares will do just that, and I think the people at Reddit think the same thought. I'm not very invested in Reddit, do I'll just move to Lemmy. Look for existing communities about the content I need over there and be rid of the rest.
toxtethogrady@Gargron Can we get 4chan to do that next?
Null The Grey@Gargron to me, reddit WAS the Sync app. I hated the redesign on desktop and stuck to old.reddit.com but I feel they'll be killing that off soon enough as well. Time for me to say goodbye. I haven't been back to reddit in over a week. I'm just sad that all the 3rd party apps and other innovation has to suffer.
Eshu Marneedi@Gargron spez doesn’t seem to understand that, though.
Michael Cook@Gargron I find the old interface + no ads through a subscription to be fantastic. But we all know they’ve been trying to kill that.
The new interface and the official app are abysmal.
Martin Raag@Gargron I fear the lack of a clear alternative will mean Reddit will not implode and most users will grumpily return. I wonder if there was a stronger competitor whether some subs would have already migrated over tather than stage a protest.
Bryan Irace@Gargron Twitter : Mastodon :: Reddit : ?
jiaaro@irace @Gargron I haven’t found any with significant traction, but it looks like some folks are trying with Lemmy https://join-lemmy.org
Dave Gulli@Gargron totally agree. It's amazing how much runway they've had to make their app the best, not needing 3rd party. Instead they've concentrated on advertising injection over good user experience
🍄🌈🎮💻🚲🥓🎃💀🏴🛻🇺🇸@Gargron How is reddit actually set up? If they wanna go public they surely have some sort of a board and stuff, right? So if it’s just the CEO u/spez being a complete idiot, couldn’t they just fire him and bring someone in with some connections to reality?
Tim Ellis 🦝@Gargron Major galaxy-brain move to aggressively piss off your users when your site's value comes 100% from user-generated content.
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Rafael Schmitt@Gargron I’m kinda hoping for that too!
Yosola 
@Gargron I, in the other place of the spectrum, think that nothing would happen. In a couple of days they will announce that they brought a new client for IOS and that is it. Nothing will happen
Landrin201@Gargron I read earlier that they are apparently also doing "experiments" with some users logged-in on mobile browsers which forces them to download the app to use the site on Mobile.
They seem to be committing.
@Gargron Is there a way to browse the timeline of one Mastadon server from another Mastadon server as if it was a subreddit?
Chris AD@Pterofractal @Gargron Yes. In the Mona app you can link remote servers to browse them
@Gargron I just deleted ten years of posts and comments and got myself permaband so mission accomplished!
Eugene Teplitsky@Gargron @mastodonmigration Given that literally all value on Reddit is generated by user content, Spez ought to have been kissing the feet of apps like Apollo - they bring the users and keep them generating content, and therefore value. He could have monetized from those apps without killing them, but I guess he chose greed.
Mastodon Migration@Gargron Welcome to the Fediverse #RedditMigration
Sign up here:
kbin: https://fedia.io/register
Lemmy: https://infosec.pub/signup
These two instances are run by the same team as infosec.exchange so there is some confidence they can handle the surge of new users.
Melroy van den Berg@mastodonmigration @Gargron Is it possible to connect my own server instance to a remote server, like infosec.pub? If not... it's not going to work to share info. Mastodon has this feature.