Samuel WallaceJun 8, 2023
Daring Fireball
★ First Impressions of Vision Pro and VisionOS
https://daringfireball.net/2023/06/first_impressions_of_vision_pro_and_visionos
First Impressions of Vision Pro and VisionOS

In the same way that the introduction of multitouch with the iPhone removed a layer of conceptual abstraction — instead of touching a mouse or trackpad to move an on-screen pointer to an object on screen, you simply touch the object on screen — VisionOS removes a layer of abstraction spatially.

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Jun 7, 2023 at 6:27pmDF Tootbot
Show threadCasper 👻Jun 7, 2023
@daringfireball
Nice review. Thanks
Show threadPaul AdamsJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber have you done any sleuthing to figure out which games the NBA/MLB footage is from? Then you could put out a call to find footage from the broadcast or social media that might have caught Apple's custom camera rigs in action.
Show threadJohn GruberJun 10, 2023

@pdadams Wouldn't be hard to figure out. Suns-Nuggets games would be the best way. The Red Sox game was one where the Sox were wearing special "City Connect" uniforms -- very distinctive.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31202785/boston-red-sox-push-envelope-marathon-inspired-blue-yellow-uniforms

Boston Red Sox 'push the envelope' with marathon-inspired blue-yellow uniforms - ESPN

The Red Sox say they will "push the envelope" with new uniforms that don't include any red. The blue-and-yellow uniforms, designed in collaboration with Nike, are inspired by the Boston Marathon and Patriots' Day.

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Show threadPaul AdamsJun 10, 2023
@gruber Do you remember the point-of-view you had of the Suns-Nuggets game? I think I heard you or Ben say baseline, was the basket to your left or to your right? And do you happen to remember if you were next to the bench or across from it?
Show threadJohn GruberJun 13, 2023
@pdadams Right behind the basket, in the center.
Show threadRishi ÓJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball What a *ducking* awesome piece. I love what I understand about VisionOS. Call me weird, I just wish it were possible to do spatial computing without a headset.
Show threadJeffy 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦 ❤️🇱🇺Jun 8, 2023
@rishio @daringfireball I was hoping there was at least some way to do part of the 3D experience of it with iPhones and cardboard. For real.
Show threadHiroJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber Dropping the first look write up that I have most been waiting for. I suddenly feel much better about the prospect of this platform.
Show threadFreediverXJun 7, 2023

@daringfireball
This was a great review. Immersive, even.

If you were gifted one of these by Apple, do you imagine yourself using it on a regular basis over the long term, or do you suspect it would lose its appeal after the novelty wore off?

Show threadRodneyJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball Great piece 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Show threadDaxJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball Think this really bring into focus the AppleTV+ push in general. Sports, movies & events streaming for Vision Pro.
Show threadbrilliantcornerJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball awesome in-depth (p)review. Very excited about the sports experience especially.
Show threadPeter JohnsonJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball visionOS?
Show threadjburkaJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball honestly, I was hoping for a little self-served claim chowder for your earlier insistence that Gurman’s reporting on the display of the user’s eyes on the exterior couldn’t possibly be real. Otherwise, a great piece!
Show threadburnumJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball there’s a session where Apple confirms support of 90hz video playback (96hz for 24fps content). https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10071/ around 2’30”
Deliver video content for spatial experiences - WWDC23 - Videos - Apple Developer

Learn how to prepare and deliver video content for visionOS using HTTP Live Streaming (HLS). Discover the current HLS delivery process...

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Show threadTechinterestedJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball can you please ask apple about their “your face is too close to the screen” feature on iOS and iPadOs 17 and how that related to vision pro?
Show threadDaveJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball Only nitpicking because of your care with words, but I'd think the ghosts that fade in are translucent, not transparent, right? (Also, I wish they were spooky, that’d be amazing.)
Show threadwsmJun 7, 2023

@daringfireball

https://mstdn.io/@weldon/110505020358976679

wsm (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image It’s not a tap, a pinch, or a touch. It’s a tinch. https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/

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Show threadRudyJR13Jun 7, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber the part about the sports games sounds incredible but what is the realistic ability for Apple or the leagues/media partners to provide that type of heavy bandwidth 3D camera / 4K stream live? There’s very little live sports in 4K today.
Show threadJohn GruberJun 10, 2023
@RudyJR13 Can it happen live today? Maybe not. But soon enough 4K will be universal.
Show threadJS_WordSmithJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball great insight as always. I've gone from _ nope, not going to get it_ to, how can I afford this.
Show threadNoel O'SullivanJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball Did you (or anyone) get to see the EyeSight implementation? I'm really curious how good the "googly eyes" are and how they look off-axis.
Show threadSupremePeterJun 7, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber Despite that guy looking ridiculously cringey taking photos of his kids w the Vision Pro, I anticipate iPhone 15 having a stereoscopic camera
Show threadJohn GruberJun 10, 2023
@SupremePeter Would be great if it were so but it would require lenses at least eye-width apart, and that doesn't jibe with rumors.
Show threadSupremePeterSep 12, 2023
@gruber Claim chowder? 😜
Show threadFuturist Jim CarrollJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball Thanks for the incredibly detailed and honest overview. Very insightful.
Show threadJeffy 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦 ❤️🇱🇺Jun 8, 2023

@daringfireball In reading your review (great one, btw), I was reminded of the first few months of having an actual HDTV. I was in the early days of 1080p broadcasts. It was a 47” (I know!) TV. There were some movies that had filmed actors JUST SO far from the camera such that their heads/faces were exactly life-sized.

This produced moments where they seemed to snap into 3D. Trick of the mind, of course, but it was something I couldn’t turn off or on. It just happened, unbidden. I got the sense maybe some moments of your experience were something like that.

Show threadJoshJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball @pschiller
Show threadPhil RuppertJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball This was far and away the best piece I’ve ever read on Daring Fireball. Surprisingly rich and detailed recollections from what probably felt like 30 minutes passing in a finger snap all filtered through a keen knowledge of history, technology, and art. Incredible writing. Cant wait to try this thing.
Show threadrosscarterJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball Cogent, thoughtful, eloquent, careful, honest, excitement tempered with trepidation; best DF review ever?
Show threadKevin MillerJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball dammit @gruber I was successfully avoiding getting excited about Vision Pro until now.
Show threadDemallienJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball Well I guess we now know what the killer app for this thing is - making working in an open space office tolerable for the first time… I could even see employers providing them to employees as a way of being able to pack people in even tighter than before.
Show threadJoey van der PoelJun 8, 2023

@daringfireball @pschiller nice write up.

It reminds me of the corona period where during lockdown I created spaces in my apartment. A desk I only sit to work, a table I only use for eating, a couch I only use for watching movies or play games, a bedroom I only use for sleeping. It kept me sane in that period and it looks like Vision Pro is making it possible to create even more spaces without the need for allocating physical spaces.

Show threadDenisJun 8, 2023

@daringfireball John, this was an excellent review! Informative, comprehensive and thoughtful!

Well done!

Show threadvincentyJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber wouldn’t it be called Apple Vision Pro? We don’t say Watch Ultra or TV 4K.
Show threadJ.A. Bell Jun 8, 2023

@vincenty We also don’t say Apple iPhone or Apple MacBook Pro.

In this case, while the top of the product page says Apple Vision Pro, most of the materials just say Vision Pro, whereas the other product names are specifically and consistently Apple Watch Ultra and Apple TV 4K.

Show threadJohn GruberJun 9, 2023
@vincenty We'll see how it plays out linguistically but I think "vision" is different, insofar as it isn't a collective noun for a product category. We need to specify Apple Watch and Apple TV because Apple Watch is one of many watches, and many companies sell products we call TVs. But no one sells a vision.
Show threadJ.A. Bell Jun 8, 2023
@daringfireball thanks for this! Interesting FOV mention. Ars did their write up and mentioned that the “tunnel vision” (black in peripheral vision from other headsets) is still present; sounds like you’re saying it’s not?
Show threadTerpaxJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball One future Vision feature I haven't seen anyone speculate on is FaceTime from the other persons perspective! What would it be like to wear the headset and see everything from your friends vantage point? Could be interesting (or possibly disorienting).
Show threadWil MacaulayJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball good chance this will transform esports. If you can ride along with a top-notch player (live or recorded) you can experience the VR world without the startup cost of mastering the game. And if Apple actually does invest in gaming…
Show threadJonathan JoelsonJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber The sports stuff sounds interesting, but I wonder if the format can actually be live streamed. It seems lots of services still struggle to live stream 4k.
Show threadChris WilliamsJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber - your third footnote is pointing to the second here. Most people probably don’t see it because the third is at the very end of the article.
Show threadJohn GruberJun 8, 2023
@howthatdo Good catch, just fixed.
Show threadJason UntulisJun 8, 2023
@daringfireball @gruber thanks for the review (esp the try-on experience for eyeglass wearers)… one nit: it’s Cruise’s son (“Sean”), not daughter
Show threadJohn GruberJun 8, 2023
@untulis Good catch, fixed!
Show threadChris MackintoshJun 9, 2023
@daringfireball farther 😏 “You can move windows left/right, up/down, and closer/further away from you.)”
Show threadVictor Jalencas Jun 9, 2023
Hi @daringfireball, a question. Was the audio audible to those around you? Was it bone-conduction based, or just some tiny speakers above your temples?
thx
Show threadRishi ÓJun 15, 2023
@daringfireball I’d want a Vision Air without Eyesight. It would be significantly cheaper, lighter, more durable, and have better battery life. I’d honestly use this device when I’m not interacting with people anyway.