Don't listen to anyone who says "likes don't matter" on here.

Yes, it's true that there's no algorithm for them to feed.

But letting people you know that you like what they're sharing, that you agree with them, that they're not just shouting into an empty abyss? That matters.

@design_law and just knowing that like came from someone who actually wanted to read my comment instead of some black box corporate entity finding it in their shareholders’ interest makes it so much more validating.
@design_law The way I see it, liking a post is an act of kindness.
@design_law agree. It helps keep me here and reminds me that hashtags help.

@design_law likes are good but don't increase the visibility of the post.

To me a like here is a personal acknowledgement of thx.

You have to Boost if you want anyone else to see it.

The problem is that #mastodon fundamentally changed what the *vast* majority of ppl think it means to 'Like' something. Don't call it the same thing as something but then make it different.

@pixelpusher220 @design_law Mastodon didn't "change" anything, this is how it used to work everywhere before Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and newer sites like TikTok decided that likes should contribute to visibility now. They're the ones that changed, Mastodon simply decided not to follow suit

@puddleofchaos @design_law then we're agreed almost all modern social media users rightly expect a 'favorite' to be visible based on Twitter, FB, YT insta etc.

Thanks.

@pixelpusher220 @design_law That was never in question. Don't know what you're trying to achieve here. Should all websites that decide not to change how a feature works be obligated to rename it once a critical mass of other websites have made it work differently? Bizarre thought

@puddleofchaos @design_law

Whatever, you literally proved my point.

@pixelpusher220 @puddleofchaos @design_law twitter also changed how people interact and the tone of discussions
@puddleofchaos @pixelpusher220 @design_law even Twitter and Instagram were chronological until 5 years ago
@pixelpusher220 No one is obligated to boost anything.

@yordansic

Didn't say that...at all.

@pixelpusher220 You most definitely did. Reread the third paragraph: "You have to Boost if you want anyone else to see it." Let's not troll here like you did with the other responder, please.

@yordansic

Serious question, is English not your first language?

"You have to Boost IF you want anyone else to see it."

That's not saying people are obligated to boost anything. That's stating a simple fact that if you want other people to see the post, it requires boosting it, a favorite will not do that.

@[email protected] Aaaaaand that first question warrants an instant block. Absolutely do *not* criticize my reading comprehension and disguise it as a "serious question". It doesn't matter that you said "if"; it was still heavily implied based on your other responses in the thread.

@yordansic *somebody* got all holier than thou and claimed I totally said something I didn't.

Then retreated to "It was heavily implied"...so it *wasn't* actually said?

Stay in school kids.

@pixelpusher220 @design_law mastodon is doing the way it has been since social media’s inception, until a few years ago.
Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, they all had chronological feeds until a while back - Twitter was like, 4 or 5 years ago - and the change to add these algorithms seems to irritate people more than please then
So Mastodon is doing it right
@pixelpusher220 @design_law BTW, unless they changed the terminology (I don’t see any text on the iPhone app), isn’t the Star on Mastodon called favorite?

@falcon @design_law it is so I'm wrong on that. As evidence by your and the other posters stmt that most social media has been doing it the way I'm describing for years... I believe my point is valid. That it was done differently a decade ago is irrelevant to switching *now*. It's still a switch.

This is *meant* to be social. Here boosting is the way to do that whereas favorting won't

@pixelpusher220 @design_law if it’s wrong to switch, Twitter was wrong to switch in the first place, so reverting to the old way is correct

@falcon @design_law

There is no *correct* way.

As you agreed, the basic behavior here changed from the system where majority of users here came from.

It's a change and significantly different.

@pixelpusher220 @falcon @design_law not really. I completely forgot that Twitter had some algorithm timeline view. I vaguely remember it appearing a few years back, seeing that it was stupid and then disabling it and forgetting it existed. For a lot of us Mastodon is exactly how we used twitter. Like is for appreciating, boost is for sharing. Like it is in all other services. The algorithm feed is fundamentally stupid.

@JonGretar @falcon @design_law

well that's not my experience, and since it was something you had to do explicitly...that says most people didn't.

In any event, my point is ppl need to Boost if they want things to have more visibility.

@pixelpusher220 @falcon @design_law as with most services, yes. Facebook for example. Twitter was the abnormality and in a pretty stupid way. What’s the point of following someone in such a system.
@design_law muting this since people alternating between pedantic and outright hostile
@design_law If I boosted everything I favourited, my TL would be a confusing bin fire for new followers! I mean, I enjoy all the whimsical pictures of moss, dad jokes and such like, but chances are those following for the geopolitics probably don't.

If you're a single-interest account, sure, boost don't like. But if you're broadly interested in all sorts of things, boost only what you think followers will enjoy and favourite the rest!
@BarrenPlanet @design_law interesting perspective. I often use the boost to signal that I’m not a one note human. That, and to be honest, I like sowing a bit of chaos.
@Shepherdess @design_law Ha! I save the chaos for my Replies section. 😈
@design_law
I favourite what I like (which is not always something I want to boost), I boost what I want to share (which is not always something I like), and I comment when I have something to add.
I ignore people who tell me I should behave in a particular way to suit them, like always boosting instead of liking. I have a few people that boost boost boost and I've had to turn off boosts for them or get my timeline spammed.
@design_law And it helps the author to find interesting people!
@chris @design_law This is super valid. Getting likes on my posts has been one of the main ways I've found people on here with the same interests in me so I can follow them.

@design_law I LIKE toots that I find amusing, relatable, or insightful. I boost toots that I would like to see get engagement from more people.

Sometimes, I do both. Or neither.

@design_law
By clicking a star, I cause a little squirt of neurotransmitters inside the brain of someone potentially halfway around the world. What could be more significant than that?
@design_law Also, I have to wonder how many of the people who say their numbers don't matter to them are being completely honest with themselves? The numbers I get here still just make me feel good!

@design_law

It can lead to finding new followers and followees too. And like others, my account tends to be really broad in interests so just boosting everything makes me feel like a damn spammer instead. Curation happens on many levels, and a personal feed still should have some.

I've always been mystified by the people shouting DO NOT LIKE (favorite), BOOST! because why does the button even exist, then? Remove it if it's that big a deal.

@birdpoof @design_law It also works as a bookmark for the “liker” at least in one of the several ways I try to access my account … #bamboozled

@ProfJohanna @design_law

The actual bookmark function works better for that, which I use when someone adds a really interesting link or something that I don't have time to read 🖖

@birdpoof @design_law Didn’t even know there was a bookmark function, oops. I just look through my favourites. But like Sarah, I like the gesture of giving someone a star. But I’m missing seeing stuff I don’t expect. On the old site I liked accidentally bumping into research from other fields, I found that really brilliant and missed it when it started imploding. I’m trying to get that here by following ppl and hashtags but some communities I still haven’t found
@birdpoof @design_law I see it now 🤣 I’m trying out Mona. It’s great for keeping track of several accounts, but I’m still on the free trial …
@birdpoof @design_law Bookmarks and me … my very own version of the purloined letter 🤣

@ProfJohanna @design_law

Local and federated timelines are ideal for finding random stuff, though those are bit on the firehose side so I kind of stopped poking them. I'm following enough accounts now that my personal timeline has a bunch of varied content, at least. 😅

@design_law it’s so weird to me that people don’t view likes as a lil thumbs up to the poster. Like why would you think about communicating with an algo before the actual person posting
@elisa @design_law
The difference between being on social for the other clever people vs trying to only promote yourself.
@Urban_Hermit @design_law oh yeah. I didn’t think about self promo.
@design_law Because I really don't need to go viral, but demonstrations of solidarity are appreciated.
@design_law I think of them as the equivalent of a Zoom thumbs-up.👍
@design_law I love the little dopamine hit of people liking my posts. It would be great if they boosted them but I'll take whatever engagement I can get.

@design_law There *is* an algorithm for them to feed: Trending Posts (Explore > Posts in the standard web interface), which shows the most Boosted OR Favourited posts on your server over the last day or so. It's where I found this post!

So, "favourite" away to your heart's content in the knowledge that you're not only showing appreciation but also helping promote the post.

@hughster @design_law Beat me to it. There absolutely is an algorithm, which is literally the only reason I saw Sarah's post at all.

@ech @hughster Yeah, so this could have been clearer. I was responding to a particular argument I've seen, which bemoans the lack of a Twitter-like algorithm.

But that wasn't my point.

The point is that even if likes aren't increasing the visibility of a post--or increasing the visibility of a post in the same way--they still have value.

@design_law I see "reply", "boost", "favourite", and "bookmark". There is no "like" button.

@charette @design_law
Across every platform that allows users to leave comments, there is a way to "like" the post. In this case it is the favorites button. It is more common than the ability to reshare (boost).

Even Yahoo Answers!, which was designed to be a database of serious answers (like Quora that came after it) turned into a social median platform with memes and likes. I think it is a property of people, regardless of the platform or what the button is called.

@Urban_Hermit @design_law Badly-chosen name. Having a link/button called "Like" and having one called "Favourite" means two different things.