Nick @ The Linux Experiment

Apparently, there are people who are happy that they won’t be able to install optional third party stores on iOS because they don’t live in the EU.

Like, why?! “Oh I’m sure glad this option to get more apps that Apple might have not allowed doesn’t come to MY phone!”

May 9, 2023 at 5:30amMastodon for iOS
Show threadJRT May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP because they believe in the myth that Apples approval process is an essential security measure.
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@jrt But even if you believe that, the third party stores are optional?!
Show threadJRT May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP yes. I didn't say that it makes sense. Most people I've heard that say are either not tech savy users or just believe what apple tells them. And Apple benefits if everyone goes through their payment processor only.
Show threadDon FruendoMay 9, 2023
@jrt @thelinuxEXP
Plus, have you seen some Android phones especially those owned by older people? They wouldn't know what is scam, spam or otherwise and just accept any Trojan as long as it comes as an easy-to-install gadget 😬 I am in no way defending Apple here btw, I am just trying to deliver the argument I heard most about this 🙂
Show threadwinnie13uaMay 9, 2023

@don_fruendo @jrt

Unfortunately that's true. Does that crappy apps aren't able to bypass apple verification? Coz on android they are installed from paly store mostly.

But sideload opens more options to SCAMers, yes.

Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@don_fruendo @jrt I mean, most Android phones don’t have the option to install from outside of the Play store enabled. Like 99% of them, so it’s definitely a user conscious decision to bypass that. It will definitely be the same (or harder) on iOS, plus they said they’ll allow third party stores, not complete sideloading :)
Show threadHugo 雨果May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP @jrt Your mistake was expecting people to have a coherent train of thought.
Show threadteyMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP @jrt You could probably argue that as long as third party app stores still remain unavailable in one major region, users who do not want to use third party app stores can be sure that all major apps will still be published to the App Store. Otherwise companies like Epic could force users to use their own store/distribution method for their products
Show thread𒀭Wiiお姉さん 💜 🏳️‍⚧️May 9, 2023
@jrt Even then, why would they be happy that they don't get the choice?
Show threadStrange New Words (Adam)May 9, 2023
@darkwiiplayer @jrt Buddhists think more choice makes people more unhappy. (I’m not endorsing that POV, but that’s what they think.)
Show threadScott FrazerMay 9, 2023
@strange_new_words not just Buddhists: https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/economics/the-paradox-of-choice
The Paradox of Choice - The Decision Lab

The paradox of choice suggests that an abundance of options actually requires more effort to choose and can leave us feeling unsatisfied with our choice.

The Decision Lab
Show threadMateu le grille-pain ricainMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP Mutahar a tout le raison sur les fanboys d'Apple (aussi que les fans de Nintendo)
Show threadwhitespacedMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP they think that having an OPTIONAL feature will compromise their security even though they can just...... not use it.
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@whitespaced I’d that’s not the definition of stupidity, I don’t know what is!
Show threadJustinMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP you're asking why the users who buy overpriced tech like it's going out of fashion to think logically? 🤔
Show threadLord Gregory Opera 🇦🇺May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I don’t think they’ve actually *confirmed* anything in regards to this yet, have they? In any case, I’d overwhelmingly welcome such an option in #Australia (though given our lack of privacy here, I wouldn’t hold my breath), even if it *is* too early to say whether I’d actually *use* third-party stores (it would depend on how it’s implemented)… | #Apple #iOS #iPadOS #watchOS #tvOS #AppStore
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@gregoryopera No, it’s been pretty much confirmed!
Show threadPixel RefreshMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP @schrottkatze
Humans are strange creatures whom are easily manipulated, minus the more intelligent outliers.
The status of the brand they like, and the reduction of how much brain power they must spend on decisions, appeal to the average human.
They feel special and accomplished when only certain accessories are "good enough" to work with their favorite toys.
Show threadSkylar Caulfield May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP wait what lmao are EU phones gonna have a different firmware lmafo
Show threadwinnie13uaMay 9, 2023

@skymtf
You don't need different firmware for that. It can just check some flag to allow this.

I'm wondering would it require you to bind EU issued bank card to apple account? Or how hard it would be to trick device into thinking it's EU based?

Show thread𒀭Wiiお姉さん 💜 🏳️‍⚧️May 9, 2023
@winnie13ua probably just a matter of where you buy it, so maybe 'muricans could spend extra to import EU phones, but I imagine that would get very costly given how expensive those phones already are.
Show threadwinnie13uaMay 10, 2023

@darkwiiplayer
@skymtf @thelinuxEXP

Let's wait and see what would come out of this :D

Show threadSkylar Caulfield May 10, 2023
@winnie13ua @darkwiiplayer @thelinuxEXP I read online that apple COULD but it remains to be seen if they will limit it
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@skymtf Apparently, yeah.
Show threadriley is gay  May 9, 2023
@skymtf @thelinuxEXP nah, apple just implemented a "feature" in iOS 16 that lets them turn other features on and off based on region rather than slightly different phones or firmware like the china phones have been thus far
Show threadFluffy_FoxMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP Idk, maybe it's more them worrying they might by accident install something malicious?
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@fluffy_fox By accident? Sounds super unlikely. Knowing Apple, you’ll have to click 5 polyps every time you install anything from one of these alternative app stores.
Show threadFluffy_FoxMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I didn't say it was likely, I just know that most users who aren't super savy with tech tend to think like that, and in turn, are happy when Apple, Microsoft, or any other company "Takes care of them" by locking down features.
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@fluffy_fox Ah ok go it :)
Show threadFluffy_FoxMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I'm personally with you in wanting to have the option for alt app stores since I find all the apps I use in different places.
Show threadBrodie RobertsonMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP They have tricked by years of Apple marketting and Apple fan boys that by having 3rd party store support all of their data will be stolen by malware
Show threadMick Pyro Official May 9, 2023
@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxEXP Apple became a Cult. They need to be stop.
Show threadMick Pyro Official May 9, 2023

@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxEXP It could be interesting to see if the EU can block all Apple sells and services because it's a cult.

Then, I remember that scientology is not fully illegal at least in france :(

2021: https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/la-justice-confirme-autoriser-l-eglise-de-scientologie-a-installer-un-centre-a-saint-denis-20211221

La justice confirme autoriser l'Église de scientologie à installer un centre à Saint-Denis

L'Église de scientologie est classée en France parmi les sectes par plusieurs rapports parlementaires.

LEFIGARO
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@mickpyro @BrodieOnLinux Apple isn’t a cult, it just has a disproportionate amount of fanboys
Show threadMick Pyro Official May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux that's the point, who made them like this? themself? or with the help of a charismatic leader? It could be an interesting law / philosophical studies.
Show threadcaseyneiba 🦣May 9, 2023
@mickpyro @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux They made themselves fanboys. It’s their way to say « I’m not like those guys » (ie: Basic Windows users) and to « Think Different » even if that’s not what this slogan meant (and that’s not a topic for today).
Apple makes tools that enable you to work/create without thinking about the technical aspect of it. Side loading (and FWIW internet downloads) can be a threat to users if the source is not trustworthy. 1/
Show threadcaseyneiba 🦣May 9, 2023
@mickpyro @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux Apple puts itself as gatekeeper for their users in that case and fanboys see that as an act of god. Get god out of the picture and of course they’ll say stupid things (btw side loading exists on iOS since the beginning with Jailbreak). 2/
Show threadcaseyneiba 🦣May 9, 2023
@mickpyro @thelinuxEXP @BrodieOnLinux As an iOS user, I’m glad side loading comes since it’ll offer some apps that don’t match Apple’s App Store’s rules (GitHub is full of great apps you have to compile yourself and put via Xcode on your device) but I’ll probably not use it myself (the same way on my Mac I try to have apps from the Mac App Store, then Homebrew, then the big old Internet…) 3/3
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@BrodieOnLinux Yeah, it’s pure brainwashing.
Show threadRoterAdlerMay 9, 2023

@thelinuxEXP many people don't need a rational reason for their viewpoints. Most of them are fanboys, scared this could harm their beloved company.

The company doesn't even know they exist, but they defend it with such passion. It's funny 😁

Show threadZoe May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I believe most people in that camp think that it would mean that the apps they like would require a third-party app store. They like the idea of having everything in one place.
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@ZoDoneRightNow But no serious company would deprive themselves of the AppStore, it seems pretty obvious?
Show threadZoe May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP Yeh, I agree. Some people just irrationally fear change
Show threadAmy 🇹🇭May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP why are people so mad? Let's be honest 99% of people will still use the App Store anyways (also rip I'm from Thailand and thus not have access to the feature)
Show thread𝕊𝕙𝕒𝕕𝕠𝕨 May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP The Apple fanboys are mindless idiots.
Show threadNickMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I'll never understand people who are happier with LESS choice because a company said so. 😕
Show threadMithicSpiritMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I've been thinking about this and there's only one logical reason I've been able to come up with.
If sideloading becomes an option, then apps that would have been in the app store might instead only be available via side loading. These apps, some of which might be "essential" apps, would not be subject to scrutiny that they would be otherwise and are thus able to get away with more stuff. As an arbitrary, hypothetical example, Twitter (which is "essential" for many) could become sideload-only and begin tracking much more than Apple would allow them; or an app that becomes sideload-only could later be the subject of an attack an be replaced with malware (if it were in the app store it would presumably be blocked from reaching end users).
Show threadNick @ The Linux ExperimentMay 9, 2023
@mithicspirit I don’t think any serious company that wants their app to be actually used and downloaded would deprive themselves of the preinstalled store users have gotten used to for 15 years, but we’ll have to see!
Show threadMithicSpiritMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP as someone that dislikes Apple I *wish* that would happen lol (just like I wish FDroid would become commonplace on Android).
Show threadMithicSpiritMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP btw I don't personally agree with this. On Android sideloading has been a thing forever[citation needed] and afaik never been a problem. If anything, apps from FDroid are *more* trustworthy than those from google play. However, someone that is both very security-conscious and extremely misinformed about Apple (kool-aid) could reasonably think this.
Show threadFabio ValentiniMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I could only explain this kind of behavior with years of anti-consumer brainwashing ...
Show threadDheeraj | RocketReply.AIMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP Most people want to remain in The Matrix.
Show threadStrange New Words (Adam)May 9, 2023

@thelinuxEXP The fact that big tech companies curate the shit out of everything so you don’t need to think about it is kind of the point of them, for most people. I bet you that half the iPhone users in the EU won’t try a 3rd party store, not even once.

I wonder if what Linux is missing to catch on for desktop and mobile is somebody to say, “You don’t need to research all the choices, just install this, this and this.”

Show threadThomas Frans 🇺🇦May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP Apple fanboyism.
Show threadPhilMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP in struggling to understand the opinion of "yay, I love monopolistic behaviour and abuse of market dominance!" 👍
Show threadPersonanongrataMay 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP possibly neo Nazis and conspiracy theorists could upload apps to third party stores 
Show threadAvi (אבי)  🪬May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP I love it when I lose features
Show threadLe Patenteux May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP
Are you refering to the same people who need an AR-15 to go to Wal-Mart?
If so, maybe they have some other concerns that would explain why they can't think straight!
Show threadnebulabc  May 9, 2023
@thelinuxEXP
I’m quite excited about having third party stores, talking from the developer side... but I’m also not excited at the same time. The walled garden is useful occasionally for non-power users, you’re all excited for third party apps, but for a lot of people they don’t even know what that means. Android has been a mess for years, looking at old people I know’s devices to find that they’re absolutely infested with malware. Apple has kind of fixed that problem for me, their software store is monitored impressively well. Regardless, it is odd seeing people scared of getting a feature they don’t even need to use.