O'Reilly Radar gave the Fediverse a shout-out!

They note that the Fediverse is on pace to match Twitter's scale.

But they also question whether the industry pundits will ever take the Fediverse seriously since it lacks billionaire or VC funding.

Fine by me.

Let the pundits write their long thinkpieces on NFTs and AI and all the other bullshit that powers tech hype cycles.

As for me, I'm here for actual and tangible technological change.

https://www.oreilly.com/radar/not-forgotten/

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Not Forgotten

ChatGPT isn’t the only important trend in technology.

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@atomicpoet I haven't paid attention to pundits in years. No reason to

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@atomicpoet @fediversenews Is it even desirable to be “taken seriously” by pundits? Their entire value seems to rest in amplifying their own importance. It’s more noise than value.
@philip @atomicpoet @fediversenews Yes, it is. A lot comes with it. Stuff like NASA/ESA, key companies, key services, various reasons for why people used Twitter in the first place that don't yet exist on Mastodon.

@MarcinW @atomicpoet @fediversenews Do those things really appear because of pundits, or do they appear because it becomes undeniable that there’s value in being where people are?

I think it’s rather the latter than the former. But I could of course be mistaken.

@philip @MarcinW @atomicpoet @fediversenews As someone who has been associated with a NASA account, the utilitarian view is certainly the most accurate. Government communications people aren't really plugged into the VC scene, but they will listen when you say that something will increase your reach

@simonbp @philip @atomicpoet @fediversenews It's really not.
I'm not talking about the the VC scene, but rather the pundits themselves.
There are barely any official accounts on Mastodon (with European Union being a huge pioneer here, joining before any of the Twitter waves came in), despite of Mastodon having over 10mln users and continually growing.

So it's clearly not the lack of reach potential that is an issue here.

@atomicpoet "But they also question whether the industry pundits will ever take the Fediverse seriously " I see only advantages!

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I don't think I will ever get over many people's misguided worldview that supposes money or profitability as an indicator of intelligence or viability. There are people who literally cannot fathom why anyone would do something if they can't monetize it, and also cannot understand that there are widely varied, disparate, yet still completely valid metrics of success.

I'd say 10 million users (and counting) is a pretty good indicator of successful scaling and utility without having to be "blessed" by vulture capitalists to give it legitimacy.

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Eventually that kind of scaling curve will force VCs to pay attention...and try to crush it.

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@FeralRobots @fediversenews They’ve already tried to crush it. And so far, they’ve failed.
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I'm not as worried about commercial attempts as I am about regulatory weaknesses. Section 230, for example. More interesting though would be the ones nobody's talking about, or thought of, yet.
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@FeralRobots @atomicpoet @fediversenews Hmm... If the philistines succeed in removing sect. 230, would that ripple through the rest of the world? If not, would the largest social-media market (USA) be willing to pay for accounts run from some "infrastructure safe haven" ? Would those that are going after 230 then train their lobbying efforts on stopping that?

The point (for me) is, US (and Chinese) market trends drive world trends, so choking the Fediverse in the US, affects the world.

@atomicpoet telling how so many write this technology off because they don't see an obvious way to make money on it. It's like no one remembers the good days of the internet before money became the only purpose.
@atomicpoet @BalooUriza I feel like, as this is a company that's primary name is through publishing books to teach the masses new tech skills, their comment is taking the piss out of pundits for being so gullible to any VC darling or billionare-backed thing, more of a sarcastic question against punditry. O'Reilly's never really needed to take pundits seriously themselves, as far as I'm aware at least.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews The Fediverse will be added to the list that includes Linux that industry pundits will never take seriously because billionaires or VC funding aren’t behind it.

Hard to believe some people think they are “the smartest folks in the room”

@atomicpoet @fediversenews I am looking forward to when the media reposts our toots the same way they repost tweets. I've yet to see a toot reposted in articles on websites like HUFFPOST and RawStory which often include screen shots or links to tweets about various subjects. Here's an example: (click to view/enlarge image of tweets from this article) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-tweet-louisville-shooting_n_6435e657e4b0fc8aefe02322
Ted Cruz Tweet Ages As Badly As Possible After Louisville Shooting

The Texas senator cast banks as the gold standard for security due to their use of armed guards.

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@Hal_Brown @fediversenews I’ve had people lift my posts in articles and claim it as their own.

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In the 1990s, open source software faced the same sort of skepticism. Projects were staffed by volunteers, and there was little direct commercial funding (Red Hat's early revenue came from selling CDs and t-shirts). Industry analysts ignored OSS. Big companies actively tried to undermine it (VMware and Microsoft, for example).

Eventually, open source transformed how code gets developed and services get built across the entire industry.

O'Reilly saw that early, too.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews I dunno … whether the industry pundits can learn to take seriously the World Wide Web that has no multi-billionaires or VCs behind it, like MSN which will take over once Windows 95 launches
@atomicpoet The irony is the hottest new startups those VCs and billionaires fund run on top of the same open source software and process that are making the Fediverse grow.
@atomicpoet @fediversenews fancy that! An open source service could reach the scale of other services running on (checks notes) a globe-spanning open source World Wide Web?