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Chris TrottierYes, I think TikTok should be banned.
I also think Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, Snapchat, Pinterest, YouTube, and Reddit should be banned.
Anything that requires surveillance capitalism should be banned.
Some people are like, “Build better consumer protections for data privacy.”
No, you need something far stronger than “protections”.
It should be downright illegal for any company or entity to track, file, catalogue, serialize, or index anyone without their explicit consent.
Further, no company or entity should own your social presence, identity, or social graph.
Nobody’s life should be deemed as an asset or property of someone else.
I am not a conduit of personal data that exists to be mined.
I am a human being.
When I talk to another human being, I see a human being.
Big Social sees a vector for data that’s exploitable.
Why do we allow Big Social to exist?
Fábio Costa 🐇🕐🎩☕@atomicpoet I'm saying all around... If people is really worried about surveillance by China via TikTok, they should avoid all the other platforms if even only 1/10th Edward Snowden said is truth
Laure@atomicpoet everyone is saying the new #Utah laws go too far. They do. But #social platforms are to blame for building the most addictive algorithms and doing nothing to protect children from dangerous often inauthentically pushed scam trends.
#socialmedia
#socialmedia
Greg@atomicpoet Agree on all of this.
The Blue Blurr@atomicpoet With YouTube specifically, I feel like the sheer volume of content, whether entertaining or educational, would be a logistical impossibility to store (at least, for now) without something like alphabet inc. owning it. I feel like a good bandage for the time being though is using different front-ends, like invidious, to get rid of the surveillance tracking & ads. As for the rest…
Let them burn. (If you have a different opinion please let me know, genuinely curious what your thoughts are.)
Let them burn. (If you have a different opinion please let me know, genuinely curious what your thoughts are.)
Michael Carducci@TBB @atomicpoet I would submit it would be logistically impossible to store _centrally_ by any single entity without the means to build such vast infrastructure, in the same way the world-wide-web would be logistically infeasible to store all the web content by a single, central entity.
Podcasts are a good example of how a decentralized media network can look. Producers independently store content all over the place, but consumers get a seamless experience. Peertube may accomplish the same.
@Michaelcarducci @atomicpoet One problem I could foresee with going with the podcast route would be smaller content creators could have a tough time storing all their own content. Do you have any thoughts on a solution to this? Like community owned free storage pools?
@TBB @atomicpoet when I hosted a tech podcast for a few years. I opted to pay a few $/month for hosting but could have self-hosted.
Discovery or monetization are other challenges but it seems all the major podcast apps are happy to make recommendations & are supporting subscription models now which is a good start.
I haven’t looked very deeply at peertube but presumably a fediverse “YouTube” will follow the same model as mastodon for community-owned storage and service instances.
🍸Pooka🥕Boo🍸@atomicpoet Humans are social animals. The storytellers myth of the rugged individual is just that, a myth. Sure, anecdotally, you can find some that would prefer solitude for various reasons. And, that's ok. But the majority of humans need other humans.
jaz 
@atomicpoet I am not a number. I'm a free man!
Deb has moved! (see profile) 🇨🇦@atomicpoet what a weird concept ;->
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Viss@atomicpoet companies hoarde user data.
that attracts attackers like flies
nobody cares about security, they all get breached
execs still get bonuses, their compensation mostly reflects market performance and stock price, not actual security.
maybe a congressional hearing
nobody gets punished, nobody gets fired, eventually the story fades
20 goto 10
shyduroff@atomicpoet … +++ …
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered
CoolMcCool@rysiek @atomicpoet x 1,000,000,000
SilentlyEating 🍕@rysiek @atomicpoet “I am not a number! I am a free man!”
@silentlyeating @atomicpoet "I am not a number, I am a three, man!"
(three is a digit after all)
@rysiek @atomicpoet Digits are numbers too. I am an ally to all numbers, digits included. Not having a decimal point does not mean you aren’t a number.
midwayI have several friends who have opted out by never having a social media account. One could argue that by signing up for their service, you are giving consent. No one has to use any particular internet service.
@atomicpoet And to package up and sell your info for $$
kechpaja@atomicpoet I more or less agree (you of course have to make exception to account for the fact that individuals can’t be expected to forget information on request). I would also broadly speaking extend this to governments as well (again with exceptions; you have to be able to enforce things like taxes).
Matt Terenzio@atomicpoet I don't trust the government to make laws that wouldn't stifle other free and open parts of the web. They are already heading that way.
Gordo@atomicpoet Agree .
MyMiloCat+MydogNoodles@atomicpoet oh agree heartily
Rob Stahlnecker@atomicpoet I don’t think they require surveillance they just do it to maximize profits. You could still choose to target ads based on what people willingly share but that’s not as valuable.
Mori@atomicpoet I have a personal ban on most of these, barring YT sadly. But YT is used in it’s own seperate browser where nothing else is ever done and which has all the standard privacy and security features enabled. They’ll be getting something from me, but not everything, and I like to think not much (thought I’m sure it’s more than I expect).
Dixzy@atomicpoet LinkedIn is easily my #1 source of spam and unsolicited emails
Martin Vermeer (not Jesus)@atomicpoet The most direct way would be to ban all advertising on social media. I know I know, never gonna happen.
happyborg@atomicpoet
I sympathize but don't think bans make sense. They are centralised control, authoritarian and anti everyone else, which is of course why those services aren't banned or even inhibited by laws and regulation.
I think the approach needs to be to empower us as individuals and communities with alternative services, and to do that we need to #decentralized but I don't think #federation will prove adequate.
My hope is for robust secure #p2p solutions that are easier to adopt and use.
Diamond Joy@atomicpoet Saw a post from a serious techie about not banning platforms outright, the old "If you don't want the Chinese govt knowing what you're doing, don't download Tik Tok. It's an individual choice. US platforms are just as bad."
Well, let's bury our heads in the sand and pretend the Chinese govt is a good-faith actor in ANY regard to sm. Phone cameras can be turned on at will and monitored. If I'm in the same room with the individual who has TT, they have access to me too.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴Yes, and at least with regard to #Facebook, this IMO should be the death knell in a country with real rule of law; the leaks are just unbelievable:
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110076984388667126
Voron@HistoPol @atomicpoet
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“Rule of law”
You mean with judge shopping for the wealthy, cash bail that causes massive incarceration among the poor one state recently reported several hundred died in jail having been convicted of no crime what so ever. Rule of law? Where cars & property can be seized with out the person being charged & the person has to pay to get them back, meaning the poor have property stolen. Perform medical care get charged with murder?
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“Rule of law”
You mean with judge shopping for the wealthy, cash bail that causes massive incarceration among the poor one state recently reported several hundred died in jail having been convicted of no crime what so ever. Rule of law? Where cars & property can be seized with out the person being charged & the person has to pay to get them back, meaning the poor have property stolen. Perform medical care get charged with murder?
@atomicpoet @HistoPol upholding “the rule of law” in this country is almost immoral at this point, I rather try to uphold justice when it happens to intersect with the law…but just banner wave for the rule of law when laws are so unjust and enforcement so brutal, nope screw that
This was not keyed to the #US but to all nations.
With a #SCOTUS hijacked by the ultraright, and without a #Supreme13 jurisprudence reform, I don't see this happening.
A minimal consensus *might* be the foreign, antagonistic threat, #TikTok, though...If #BigSocial isn't lobbying against it, as they could be next.
@atomicpoet @HistoPol big social is lobbying for the TikTok ban meta has been vocally so in the halls of congress (they want that market share)
@atomicpoet @HistoPol Maybe in other countries but the U.S. congress a big American social media company would be like cats banning tuna
@HistoPol @atomicpoet meta spent 20 million on political lobbying last year and made 2 million in political donations (that we know off) the u.s. congress ain’t voting to do squat to meta
Espinada@atomicpoet
They all collect data from everyone. So yeah, same same. Probably bring the stress level back to more sane levels across the planet instantly… except for the ones seeking to control you.
They all collect data from everyone. So yeah, same same. Probably bring the stress level back to more sane levels across the planet instantly… except for the ones seeking to control you.
phi1997@atomicpoet Another Tumblr win