Brianna WuAre there camera people here on Mastodon?
My Canon 5D Mark IV is essentially a camera from 2016. I’m thinking about going mirrorless with an EF adaptor for my lenses and slowly replacing them.
Does anyone have any opinions about the Canon R6 MKII?
Ben Roethig@briannawu everything I've seen on it has been extremely positive
Jon Waltz@briannawu Not me, but I think @KingShawn is a pro or semi-pro photog.
@JonWithTattoos @KingShawn That guy has been a 10/10 asshole to me on Twitter, haha. I appreciate you asking, but I’m only taking advice from people that don’t have contempt for women today. 😂
Shawn King@briannawu @JonWithTattoos Umm…no offense intended but I don’t even know who you are. That’s the first time I’ve been accused of having contempt for women. And I haven’t used Twitter for almost a year. Maybe your confusing me with that other Shawn (Shaun) King?
@KingShawn @JonWithTattoos Nope. Feel free to keep scrolling, buddy.
@briannawu @KingShawn I could not feel more awkward right now. 😬
@JonWithTattoos @KingShawn Don’t sweat it. Genuinely appreciate the thought.
@JonWithTattoos @briannawu You have no reason to be. You’re not the one who made things awkward. 😂
@JonWithTattoos And just to be clear, thanks for the mention. I’m a “pro” in the sense that I’ve gotten paid in the past to take pictures but I’m more of an “instructor of beginner photographers”. I offer advice and classes to those who want to take better pictures.
Zip Martini@briannawu I did pretty much the same thing, only on the Nikon side: upgraded to a Z-mount, picked up the FTZ adapter, and... well, never replaced the old glass, actually. Those old lenses still work great, and these adaptors aren't as bulky or heavy as you'd think.
@zipmartini Does it interfere with OIS or the like?
@briannawu The Nikon FTZ is fully compatible with autofocus (although slower, and the lens has to be an AF lens with the motor in the lens itself; I don't AF all that much tho), exposure control, and optical VR.
Now you've got me glass shopping in another tab...
Now you've got me glass shopping in another tab...
Noah@briannawu dpreview has excellent reviews of the R6ii as well as most other recent cameras!
@Noahlivingston I saw that. Twice. It’s extremely persuasive.
@briannawu I don’t want to say how many times I’ve watched their Fujifilm X-T4 video 😂😬
Tim Stevens@briannawu If you can stomach the EVF then 100% mirrorless all the way. I went cold turkey switching over to Sony from Canon awhile back, before Canon had a good option, and have been really happy. Currently shooting with an A7III and am tempted to step up to the 7R.
@timstevens I’m sorry, EVF?
@timstevens OH! Electric view finder.
That’s no issue.
@briannawu Sorry! It takes a little getting used to and drives some folks nuts. They've gotten a lot better since the early low-res ones.
Richard@timstevens @briannawu EVF was my biggest concern with going from DSLR to mirrorless, but I am very happy with it (I am on Nikon, but I assume all this same stuff applies). There is a small delay waiting for it to fire up, though you can get rid of that by half-pressing the shutter when you are bringing it up to your eye. But it really gives you a solid preview of your photo, exposure and all, so that you find you stop checking them on the screen after the shot.
Rich Stroffolino OLD ACCOUNT@briannawu unless you need crazy frame rates in video that should be great. Just watch the AF performance on adapted EF glass, if you’re doing a ton of tracking will be slower compared to RF.
Geoffrey Gevalt@briannawu I have been extremely happy with my Sony Ar 7 II with Zeiss lenses. But I understand if you want to stick with Canon.
@ggevalt I wouldn’t say I want to ask much as I’d say I have $4000 of glass I’m not replacing.
Myron "Fletch" Freeman@briannawu The R6 Mark II looks to be a very nice camera. I have an R5 with the EF to RF adapter with the control ring so I can speak a little to that. I haven’t had any issues so far adapting my EF lens. The AF speed is OK for the type of photography that I do but RF lens do tend to focus faster.
Dom Scandinaro@briannawu I love the Sony system. Not super helpful if you are targeting Canon but the adapter does work well for Canon lenses on Sony apsc and full frame.
David Blanchflower BSc@briannawu I know a few people on Twitter who love it.
Mark 
@briannawu I went mirrorless + adapters with the slightly more affordable Canon EOS R a couple of years ago. I've been pretty happy with the experience. It's provided an entry for getting into vintage lenses too, which has been really fun for me.
MouseAT@briannawu I really like the look of the MK2. I was considering the original version around 18 months ago, and ended up going the Sony route, but the R6 MK2 really looks like a step up. Suffice to say, if I was buying into full frame now, it’d be a much closer call.
Paul Atkinson@briannawu @Scott what's the right hashtag for this?
Scott@briannawu @paulatkinsonpdx Having done that (almost exact same) switch 2 years ago (R6 mk1) it's a game changer. The learning curve is really steep but once you master the new autofocus system and customize the camera to how you work, it becomes far more intuitive than a dSLR. I too thought I would just slowly transition over to RF glass, but RF glass is sooooo much better than EF glass (lighter, better image quality, better IS **Control Ring**) that it was only a year before I replaced it all. The R6mk2 will only be a downgrade in resolution and the lack of color noise in the shadows will more than make up for it (went head to head with a 5Dmk4 and R6mk1 in a shadow recovery test and it was no contest). I have a lot more thoughts if you want them.
@Scott @paulatkinsonpdx I do. I would also love to know what you think about the kit lens. F/4 is blerg, but it does look fairly versatile.
@briannawu @paulatkinsonpdx the 24-105 f/4? It is really good, way better than the EF version in image quality. The f/4 is only a problem for dropping out backgrounds, for everything else it's fine. You can get decent separation and bokeh at 105mm (not great, but useful) and as a walk around general duty lens I have been impressed compare to the old EF version (which I seldom used) The RF version is lighter and smaller and Canon finally wised up and put a zoom lock on it. I also have the RF 14-35 f/4. Both lenses can take decent Astro at f/4. no real loss sharpness shooting wide open.
@Scott @paulatkinsonpdx Sounds like this is going to be a great investment!
@briannawu @paulatkinsonpdx especially with Canon's resale value holding so strong. You have to go to mirrorless sooner or later, Canon R is the least painful way now, and if you jump to a different brand you can get most of your money back out.
@briannawu @paulatkinsonpdx I'll also note that the last lens I swapped was the 70-200mm f/2.8 and it is so much better than the EF version I wish I hadn't waited. I was turned off by the extend-to-zoom (still am) but I wish I had not waited. The RF gives up nothing in quality but is half the weight and size. The only downside is the zoom ring takes a lot more turning
@Scott @paulatkinsonpdx that’s really good to know. In your experience are the primes much better for mirrorless? My favorite lens is that cannon 135 f/2
@briannawu @paulatkinsonpdx unfortunately Canon has neglected the mid range primes in RF so far. They are either low end or insanely expensive. The low end and are really really good for non L glass, but still not L level. I can't bring my self to spend the money on RF L primes. I still use my EF 50 f/1.4 and Sigma ART 35mm f/1.4 and EF 100L macro. (the don't live in my bag though). They all focus better and faster on the R6 than they did on the preceding dSLRs, so the primes are likely the exception to "replace it with RF" The RF 135mm f/1.8 is likely "better" image quality than your f2/0, but it's $2100 and it almost certainly doesn't have the same "character" as the EF version (may be better or worse but will likely have a different look). I would rent one and see it it was me (I do do that before I buy)
Nathan Murphy@briannawu what are you hoping to gain by upgrading? the 5D IV is an astounding camera, regardless of age. I see you also want to stick with the EF mount
@murph Weight. Better video autofocus. Most importantly, canon has said no more DSLRs so no sense buying ef lenses.
@briannawu got it. sounds like you're looking to be talked into it? GO FOR IT. i presume the EF adaptors wont cause any vignetting. if they work, no need for new glass IMO. glass is glass, as long as the image circle covers the sensor
Steve Brazill@briannawu the R6 mk II is a great camera, and using the adapter is great way to transition. Jordan and Chris at DP Review have two videos, their initial review, and a final review. You can check the final out here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg0IbdbRRMg
Also, that 5D4 makes a great webcam. It’s what I use now since switching to the R5 and R6.
Canon EOS R6 Mark II Final Review
CMIKED@briannawu I'm still shooting on my 5D Mk II. I'm following along here.
Chris Leboe@briannawu R6 MKII would be excellent. I use the RF to EF converter with my EF lenses and it works great. I got the cheapest Canon version of that. If you're happy with the file sizes of your 5D MKIV then the R6 is probably the way to go. I went from a 5D MKIII to the R5 and I'm quite happy with the upgrade in mega pixels. I find I can crop much more successfully now. I can't really help with the video too much, I don't use that much. I think auto focus is excellent on both.
@briannawu Let me add the following, in response to some other comments:
The EF Adapter won’t add vignetting. Basically, the EF glass was designed to allow room for a mirror to flip up, which is no longer needed. RF glass is much closer to the sensor (part of the reason they’re sharper edge to edge). The adapter essentially adds that flange distance back to where it needs it.
Also, it won’t affect AF performance.
@SteveBrazill oh, that’s extremely good to know.
@briannawu Happy to help. I switched to all RF glass when I went mirrorless. The one exception is my Sigma 150-600. My adapter is the Control Ring version, which I wouldn’t do again. I thought I’d use the ring, really wanted to have that control. I never use it. Each lens has the ring in a different spot. Some near the body, some on the other end, and some at the adapter. That makes them almost unusable to me. Trying to find the right ring when a band is on stage.
anneeroper@briannawu Here's an online forum on the Canon R6 MKII though you may already be on it? https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66666181
And another on the Canon 5D Mark IV https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1790674 Web is always great on this kind of stuff! Good luck...😍
And another on the Canon 5D Mark IV https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1790674 Web is always great on this kind of stuff! Good luck...😍
David Fleetwood@briannawu I'm not a big fan of the RF ecosystem, but the R6 MK II is an excellent camera.
Steven Amani@briannawu I have the original R6 and love it. I can only imagine the MkII to be even better.
Joe Stone@briannawu I've heard nothing but great things about the R6 MKII. Last year I went from the 5DMKIII to a used EOS-R, and wish I would have just gone with the 6 series instead (or sprung for a higher version R). The R is still an improvement in a lot of ways over the 5DMKIII, but it has been a heck of learning curve.
Ioan@briannawu did you hold it?
KenBallweg@briannawu just to reinforce picking a Canon mirrorless I went from a 5D mkIV to Sony a7 III based on the assumption adapters would allow me to use my EF lenses. For static shots worked fine, but anything requiring tracking auto focus (birds, Street, events) hit rate was not okay. This was years ago and things have improved a bit, and Canon didn't have a good mirrorless body yet. IF I were doing it today I would definitely stay in the Canon system.
Kevin@briannawu May I make a suggestion. Rent the body (and Adapter) you are considering and try it that way. I've done this several times and saved myself not only a bunch of cash, but I am sure a great deal of heartburn.
anukul@briannawu unfortunately i moved from from canon SLR to mirrorless too early & bought into the M (crop sensor) system. now that the R system has a full line of bodies & the glass is coming along, it looks nice although the equivalent glass is way more $$$ and canon is not allowing third party autofocus lenses.
If you aren’t into video and/or need the in-body image stabilization, you might be like the brand new R8 which sites imply has the full frame same sensor from the R6ii for $1000 less.
Dan Wing@briannawu R6 II looks like a nice entry point to the R system for sure. But there are rumors of an R5 II, but of course nobody knows dates yet. The existing R5 still beats the R6 II in several areas -- the top display is something I would miss by going from my 5D Mark IV to R6 II.
I agree with @kfcrosby to rent the system you are considering. I have used borrowlenses with success in the past, including when they rented me a 3rd party lens with old firmware that errored out my 5D Mark IV body; they made it right and I was able to get by on the trip with that issue. I ended up buying the same lens, later, with updated firmware. So I would use them again.
I borrowed a friend's Sony for a week and long story short I complained about accessing features via menus.
On EF/RF adapters, see Brian Carey's experience with an apparently-unhappy R5 and apparently-unhappy adaptor, https://petapixel.com/2023/02/26/my-strange-ongoing-troubles-with-the-canon-r5. Obviously that is not everyone's experience with adapters, though.
@briannawu @danwing Glad I could help.
Kevin Boyd (he/him) 🇨🇦@briannawu I haven't tried one yet - but my plan is to upgrade from my Rebel T3i to the R6 MKII in the near term. I don't have a huge investment in glass, so I might end up buying a few RF lenses and avoiding adapters.