Anna_BatchelorFeb 27, 2023
Fen C

The #ToryParty has fully internalised the concept of:

"By whatever means necessary."

That's what:

1. Makes it, to date, the most successful political party IN THE WORLD;

2. Makes it so incredibly dangerous, as it's prepared to lie & decieve to win.

Bevan knew (pic).

IMO, There's only one way consistently to counteract/defeat that:

Swallow hard and do the same...by any means necessary.

(#Moral_High_Grounds haven't worked. Ever.)

#uk #ukpolitics

Feb 27, 2023 at 10:48amWeb
Show threadAlex P Roe - OLD ACCOUNTFeb 27, 2023
@fencoul Basically, the political right has nothing to offer of value to anyone who isn't already extremely well-off. It knows this so it has to lie to keep enough support to get votes. Or it stirs up dirt and fear for the same reasons.
Show threadZolan QuobbleFeb 27, 2023
@fencoul disdain for a #moral_high_ground (some absurd place of white cloth and cold showers) isn't that the trap of letting yourself be defined by your enemies. Countering the lies is the battle.
Show threadAutisticMumTo3Feb 28, 2023
@fencoul
After seeing Starmer talk about his hatred of losing, even to his own children, on Political Thinking it makes me wonder if he has the same attitude. Would explain the lies he told to win the leadership election and his tendency to throw out of the party people who disagree with him & the previous very popular leader.
Show threadFen CFeb 28, 2023

@AutisticMumTo3

πŸ‘† I'm prepared to put up with a lot if it means getting the #ERGNeoFascistToryPartyScum out of power. JC's ❀'s in right place but JC #LOTO performance measured by result: 80-seat #Tory majority. If KS converts his current poll lead into ANY kind of not-#Tory government then his sins are absolved AFAIC.

(Shame about KS's #Brexit & #PR stances but one slice at a time. Slice #1: #GTTO.)

Show threadWalkerFeb 28, 2023
@fencoul
the G🐽P playbook πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ
Show threadJohn Bell πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ”ΈπŸ•·οΈπŸ΄σ §σ ’σ ·σ ¬σ ³σ ΏMar 2, 2023
@Papablue @fencoul the GOP πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ and the Tory party πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ are using the same tactics
Show threadGeoff WinklessFeb 28, 2023
@fencoul shame Bevan/Attlee didn't have the confidence in the Labour movement to introduce PR when they could. I guess he feared, as Labour have ever since, that without the bogeyman of the Tory party for voters to vote against, Labour would be unable to persuade enough of the population to vote for them.
Show threadFen CFeb 28, 2023

@Geoff

πŸ‘† When you're a big fish in a 2-fish pond (plus some minnows, plankton, amoeba & algae) it's hard to switch to being 1-of-many in a many-fish pond.

Requires (ahem!) a commitment to actual (ahem! again) democracy.

#ACTUAL_DEMOCRACY! Imagine that!

See also: https://bit.ly/3IjOaNW

A Mythical PR Party? - A guest post by Fen C, @fencoul (Twitter). - Progressive Pulse

Introduction What happened to the United Kingdom? The answer is β€œa lot”, and not much of it very good. What can be done to get the SS United Kingdom back on an even keel? Here’s an idea: opposition parties collaborating. β€œHasn’t that already failed?” I hear you ask. β€œIf at first, you don’t su ...

Show threadThis account has movedFeb 28, 2023
@fencoul Mercifully we've probably reached the point where they've had enough rope to hang themselves.
The sad thing is we'll probably get a Labour government not because they're offering an inspiring , inclusive, progressive and unifying agenda but because enough people are struggling, see a government that doesn't care about them and will risk trying the other option.
Show threadFen CFeb 28, 2023

@emsquared

πŸ‘† The "other option" that gave us the #WelfareState inc. #NHS? That other option?

(NB: No, I'm definitely NOT saying Keir Starmer = Clement Attlee!)

Show threadThis account has movedFeb 28, 2023
@fencoul I'm not saying Starmer is but the electorate see it that way & under FPTP rules they probably, sadly are. In England at least the vote could still be split by the so-called Unity party or a real away Tory party should Boris decide his ego needs one. Ideally there'd be other options, a more empowered electorate, better local demo racy etc. Even the SNP now may not be "the opposition" in the UK if they lurch to a less "woke" position.
Show threadAviva GaryMar 7, 2023

@fencoul Only thing I take issue with is the most successful party in the world bit... (the world is large, what is success etc) but other than that

yeah.

Show threadFen CMar 7, 2023

@Aviva_Gary

πŸ‘† Measured by win-rate and time-in-power, both very high...

Show threadAviva GaryMar 7, 2023
@fencoul Ah... well then you have a point
Show threadCarla MartinMar 7, 2023
@fencoul πŸ‘ 😒
Show threadCarla MartinMar 7, 2023
@fencoul πŸ‘ 😒 😒
Show threadLilly HunterMar 7, 2023

@fencoul Become a nazi to stop the nazis?

Not so sure about that.

Show threadFen CMar 7, 2023

@LaChasseuse

πŸ‘† That's precisely *not* what I said. Ensuring that good has as big a stick as bad does not make good into bad any more than it makes bad into good.

Show threadLilly HunterMar 7, 2023

@fencoul I agree, in fact I think good needs a considerably larger stick than bad.

But I will never agree that the means justifies the end, because the words "final solution" come to mind...

We have to find means that do not degrade us.

Show threadFen CMar 7, 2023

@LaChasseuse

πŸ‘† #HumanNature is a horribly broken & dysfunctional thing and we're just gonna have to get used to that; railing against its brokenness gets us nowhere: sadly, we are what we are*.

(*The ape that lost most of its hair.)

Show threadLaser314Mar 9, 2023
@fencoul @LaChasseuse my translation, "humans do what humans do"
Show threadLilly HunterMar 9, 2023
@laser314 @fencoul The fact that humans do not do the same things across diverse cultures is indicative of our ability to evolve our behaviour.
And evolve we must.