Mastodawn

isabel

Feb 22, 2023

@video_manager @notjustbikes problem with this is that you need to follow people to put them on a list. i used twitter to keep up with a bunch of people i didn't necessarily need on my (chronological) timeline.

generally, while i like the chronological format of mastodon as i have never used anything else, i see why people who are not power users feel put off by *knowing* that they're missing lots of interesting stuff

@dxciBel @notjustbikes

They wouldn't be in his feed if he WASN'T following them, so....

Elle of the Past

Feb 22, 2023

@dxciBel @video_manager @notjustbikes The best feature of Ivory is that you can choose to filter out individuals from your main timeline if you have them on a list. This should be standard for Mastodon and all its clients IMO.

isabel

Feb 22, 2023

@pastelscute @video_manager @notjustbikes someone tell eugen this, i think it's actually a pretty good feature

Ed Sanders Feb 22, 2023

@pastelscute @dxciBel @video_manager @notjustbikes I didn’t know this was a feature (I purchased it, but have preferred ice cubes) I might have to switch.

Derk-Jan 💙💛🇺🇦Feb 22, 2023

@notjustbikes @video_manager no one with the amount of followers that someone like njb has, has time for that.

@TheDJ @notjustbikes

Their feed is people they follow, not their followers...

@video_manager I sorted (some of) my followed accounts into lists. After doing that I basically never opened the lists again - they are so inconvenient and out of the way it's almost insulting.

To make it worse, lists don't work retroactively -- i.e. if I make a new list now called "People who don't spam" and add some of my followed accounts to it, the list would still be empty - I have to wait until they post something new. So I can't easily judge whether the list is what I want it to be.

"out of the way" - unless you pin them in the Advanced Web Interface (or equivalent)

@video_manager Honestly the lack of instant feedback for the list's resulting "vibe" is the bigger concern to me.

You didn't have instant feedback the day you started. You didn't have everything the day you started Twitter, either.

@video_manager What? I genuinely don't understand what you tried to say here.

Expecting a new experience to instantly have the feel of something you've used for any length of time is an unreasonable expectation. You don't start using ANYTHING - Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, AOL, UseNet- with the final experience. Why demand Fediverse/Mastodon instantly create your experience for you?

@video_manager You misunderstood, or perhaps I didn't explain myself properly. I am talking about how a list I make today won't show me what it would have looked like today if I had made it a month ago. It doesn't work as a filter to the home feed. And that really dissuades me from using that feature.

No it *doesn't* filter the home feed. So? Create one list with the stuff you want to "just see flow", another you want to focus on, and turn OFF (unpin) the home feed. Voila! Filtered.

@video_manager try this right now - make a NEW list, add 3 or 4 of your followed accounts to it, and see what you get - a big fat nothing.

How full was your home feed 30 seconds after you joined Mastodon?

@video_manager wow this is like talking to a wall

So you're saying your home feed showed you a long list of toots for you to evaluate the instant you joined Mastodon?

@video_manager I'm going to sleep. If you want to know what I mean I suggest you actually read what I wrote above. Every word - there weren't many.

At no point whatever have I said otherwise.

So What?

Wait. Let it get populated. You put accounts on that list for a reason. I have to assume you had a *reason* to do so, and an *expectation* of what the results would be. Do you somehow doubt your own choices?

As analogy, a new mastodon account won't have anything in their home timeline until they follow accounts - i.e. add accounts to a *LIST* - the following list - AND new toots come in.

How is this different in any way?

Also, your home feed the first day you started didn't look like your home feed now. Did you abandon Mastodon the first day because of it?

@video_manager I don't know how else to phrase it but you haven't understood what I'm talking about. Maybe we should try looking at this again tomorrow.

Bryan Hansel Feb 23, 2023

@video_manager @neatnit my understanding is that when you add someone to a list, their old toots don't show up in it. Only the toots that they make after they are added to the list show up in the list. The downside to that is that if you want to see what the list will look like, you can't until the people in the list make new toots. The ideal situation would be if lists pulled in old toots, so you could see what the list will look like and remove people that don't fit in it.

Tracy Hall Feb 23, 2023

@bryanhansel @neatnit

You ***choose*** who to put on a list. You ***already*** have expectations of what the list will contain. You don't trust your own ***choices***?

Bryan Hansel Feb 23, 2023

@video_manager @neatnit because you don't see ***every*** toot all the ***time***, you won't know if your ***choices*** are what you ***want*** until it is ***populated***.

@video_manager @notjustbikes

Lists seem to contain only material that appears in the timeline anyway. The ability of the Mastodon client to assign posting accounts to other users' choices of multiple lists and/OR current time-line is what's needed

@wavesculptor @notjustbikes

"Appear in the timeline anyway". No kidding. But if you put the high-volume in *one* list, and low-volume in *another* - hey, you created an algorithm

@video_manager @notjustbikes

So a quarter of my screen stays wasted with duplicated content - assuming I'm using advanced.

@wavesculptor @notjustbikes

Duplicated where? Don't pin the Home list.

@video_manager @notjustbikes

That's the solution I've been looking for. Why dos it take a grumpy old man I find in a bike tooters thread to tell me that and not the intro info?

@wavesculptor @notjustbikes

You are not alone. I wrote a few articles about mastodon basic last November - you can find links pinned in my profile.

@video_manager

I hope @notjustbikes is paying attention here

Sebastian Tobie Feb 22, 2023

@video_manager @notjustbikes but mastodon displays posts from accounts that are listed in ypur normal feeds.

@Sebastian @notjustbikes

...and lists only show posts from accounts you add to the list. The idea is to segregate the high-volume from the low-volume, or whatever.

IcyMidnight Feb 22, 2023

@video_manager I tried to use mastodon lists for just that, but you can't put an account in a list without following it. My goal was to have reasonable accounts on my timeline and spammy accounts in a list, but since you have to follow to add to a list your timeline gets polluted. :(

Tracy Hall Feb 23, 2023

@IcyMidnight why have spammy accounts **at all**?!? Masochist?

IcyMidnight Feb 23, 2023

@video_manager 🤦‍♂️

Tracy Hall Feb 23, 2023

@IcyMidnight

Defeated by emoji's again! They don't show in my browser, or anywhere in my various (Windows, alas) tools. No idea what those are.

Ed Sanders Feb 22, 2023

@video_manager @notjustbikes building my lists was the first thing I set about doing here. My big issue (certainly not a big issue for most) is that I have to follow people to put them on a list. I’d love to be able to do that.