Many people are desperately afraid of “forever masking.”

I'm afraid of #COVID19 remaining a top five cause of death indefinitely.

I'm scared COVID will leave billions with lasting damage to their heart, brains, and immune systems.

I'm frightened that children infected three, four or nine times will have lifelong health issues.

I'm worried that a rapidly mutating virus could yet spin off a deadly new variant.

Why is it so hard to do something so simple to possibly save a life? #WearAMask

@augieray I am mystified as to why people are, seemingly, afraid to wear a mask. I am only assuming that they are not adequately or truthfully informed. I am saddened that our government and our media have dropped the ball on this...
@fizzbin88 @augieray They are afraid to wear a mask. But are so scared they have to wear an AR-15 to buy coffee?
@jd1515151 @fizzbin88 I'd say it's a sign of a lack of logic or ability to judge risk, but I suspect it's really about a lack of empathy and a desire to intimidate others.
@fizzbin88 @augieray They are not "afraid". They're two-year-olds in adult bodies who contrarian to their core. They band together because the only people who will be friends with them are other miserable wretches just like them.

@augieray

I feel the same way. Masks aren't hard to wear people. Loss of health and life are hard.

@Snarkycounsel @augieray They underestimated the stupidity of people. They should have simplified it to terms stupidios could understand.

Do you want to wear a $1 mask for maybe one to several hours a day.

Or do you want to wear a humongous medical bill that will financially ruin you for life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx58fE_VHrM

Recovering COVID Patients Face Massive Medical Bills After Hospitalization

YouTube

@Snarkycounsel @augieray

I'll take $1 mask for reducing my chance of getting financially ruin by a medical bill from getting covid and long covid.

@jd1515151 @augieray

You are so right. If the narrative changed and it was about money, they might just start paying better attention. Because we know they don't care about their fellow humans.

@jd1515151 @Snarkycounsel @augieray

A $1 mask isn't really very effective. We got some $10 3M N99 equivalent masks, and those are amazing - you can feel the suction at the edges.

If we're going to be ostracized, might as well do it in style. 😄

@TomSwirly @jd1515151 @augieray

I tried the 3M masks and they are like suction cups for your mouth. :) My go to though has always been the KN95. I have been wearing those since 2020. And escaped Covid both times my boss brought it to the office.

@Snarkycounsel @TomSwirly @augieray

I haven't had any problems with the Honeywell N95 masks.

@TomSwirly @Snarkycounsel @augieray

You can get Honeywell N95 masks on Amazon.com a box of 20 for $21. That is where the $1 figure comes from.

@jd1515151 @TomSwirly @augieray

I didn't know this. I've been overpaying. Thanks :)

@jd1515151 @Snarkycounsel @augieray Yes, or there are plenty of non-evil places to buy them from too, for just as cheap.

@TomSwirly

Where do you shop for inexpensive N95 masks?

@Snarkycounsel I live in the Netherlands, so we get things from local stories or bol.com - probably not good for you!!
@augieray
We still do, still wash the shopping, still quarantine deliveries, still careful where we go.
@PurpleyWitch @augieray Yes, we are with you Purple. We have developed a way of life that we will socialise outdoors, but keep indoors activities to a minimum. Indoors we wear masks; every time unless it is impossible e.g. dental treatment, passport photo.
It is a bit like an episode of The Prisoner, but a lot better than Covid. A lady near us had Covid last spring, and is a long way from her old self even now. Long Covid is a lot more scary than managing the risk.
@PurpleyWitch @augieray I thought it was generally accepted that covid is airborne, not spread by surface contact
@fabtknz @augieray
As I understand it Covid can remain on surfaces for varying amounts of time. Cardboard and plastics are worse than metal. We just wash stuff in hot soapy water. Not had flu for ages either, so think it's worthwhile.

@augieray

A child born today, with today's lack of precautions in school and daycare would have to be expected to contract COVID upwards of 40 times by college, right? I don't see how that child survives that.

Seems like a lot of people are just waiting for the magic science pill that makes it all go away....which is really no different than people who are "concerned" about climate change but believe scientists will solve the problem any minute now without them having to do anything. Scientific wishful thinking.

@BE Honestly, I wish I could say that was exaggerated, but unless we develop better vaccines, COVID stops mutating, we adopt safer practices, or immunity starts miraculously remaining stable, you're right--that could well happen. I tell people even if COVID was "just" the flu (and it's not), no one could get the flu two or three times a year indefinitely without it adversely impacting their health and quality of life.

@augieray

Couldn't be more spot on. I say that to people all the time, too!

@BE @augieray

1)I doubt they'll survive. I'm not sure that a single exposure is survivable. SARS survivors were pretty messed up at 10 years, and a good chunk died between 10 and 20 years. IPF-like pulmonary fibrosis was common among survivors.

CTL remediation is severely impaired. It's almost like HPVs 16 & 18 in that regard, and they're long term killers.

The nucleocapsid protein is highly pernicious. If N is constantly being introduced into the interstitial spaces by infected donor cells

@BE @augieray

2) that tissue will eventually be destroyed. This is the most likely explanation for the fibrosis that occurred in post acute SARS survivors. SARS-CoV-2 penetrates much deeper than SARS, so I expect more tissues to be affected. It's just the nature of this beast.

@noyes
SARS-CoV-2 also affects more parts of the body.
@BE @augieray

@BE @augieray Trouble is it has worked at least once.

Nobody set out to solve the horse manure problem, but the prediction in 1894 that London's streets would be under nine feet of horse manure by 1944 never happened.

@TimWardCam @BE There are all sorts of examples where new solutions to problems were found. There are also plenty of examples where humans ignored the risks and paid the price. With a worldwide pandemic causing mass morbidity, do we really want to roll the dice rather than take a few sensible precautions?

@augieray @BE Just sayin', *some* people might have that mind set - "doing nothing worked for horse manure so why wouldn't it work with climate change and covid?".

I'm not one of them.

@BE @augieray the magic pill is actually an MRNA vaccine that helps protect people from the virus and by extension limit the spread.
Combined with masking in tight places it's not difficult.

@maximusnoobus @augieray

There's certainly both vaccines available as well as masks/ventilation. Unfortunately the vaccine's not sterilizing and only lowers your chances of long COVID about 15%.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0

However, yes, to your point, vaccines(hopefully better ones down the road) as well as masks and ventilation would make a huge difference if everyone used all of it. People would largely rather assume nothing bad will happen to them and then wait for science to fix it once it does, though.

Long COVID risk falls only slightly after vaccination, huge study shows

Results suggest that vaccines offer less protection against lingering symptoms than expected.

@BE @augieray
What do you want people to do?

71% of carbon emissions is coming from 100 companies. We can't "personal responsibility" our way out of this. I try to reduce my contribution, but my contribution is a sliver of that remaining 29% shared by the rest of the world.

Those 100 companies won't change their ways unless the government forces them to, and they have bought off many of the most powerful countries' governments.

@tofugolem @augieray

I'm 100% not going to turn another person's COVID thread into a carbon emissions thread, but I'll gladly agree that it does depend on whether you believe that the US(~13% of emissions, but the highest per capita) should lead the way toward a more green future, or whether you believe that China(26% of global emissions, but 4th per capita) should.

@BE @augieray
Alright, I'll shut up. It's just that the biggest logjam is political in nature. We have to find a way to impose certain changes on certain companies when they have immense control over the governments that would have to do the strong-arming.

@tofugolem @augieray

Love to discuss either DM or in another thread anytime. It's a good discussion that should be had.

I'm going from the idea that most of the top companies in the list you're talking about are power plants, if I remember correctly, and their output, I think, can be thought of largely in the "personal responsibility" category. But, yeah, personal responsibility isn't going to solve it all, but neither is politics. There's some mix of both required.

@augieray

I hate wearing them. The stupid elastic catches in my hair. It wasn't so bad when I thought cloth masks were safe enough, but the paper N95s are just ugly.

*** I WEAR ONE EVERY SINGLE TIME I GO OUTSIDE MY HOUSE. ***

Because it's not about my personal annoyance with the blasted things. It's about the fact that they save people's health and lives, including my own.

And that's more important than my hair looking stupid when I'm grocery shopping.

@JoanGrey @augieray We recently bought some attractive high quality masks from Masklab. With their Black Friday sale, they worked out to $2 each. Our family wears a mask in all public places. https://masklab.us/
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@augieray I'm actually happy to wear a mask now that I've seen how I've not had a cold since covid began, how my allergies are SO much better when I'm out and about and in my own garden even. Countries where masking to protect the spread of ANY germs, are ahead of the game. Even if covid didn't exist, now I know how much masks protect me from other people's cooties, I plan to wear one amongst strangers, etc. indefinitely.
@nomdeb @augieray I look forward to a time I can take them off because I overheat, but I still wear them now because the time is still not now. The data still says no.
@nomdeb I kind of love wearing a mask for all the reasons you mentioned, but I know it is not a super popular opinion. It is like incognito mode in public, which is great. My allergies are so much better. I'm not getting sick. I don't have to wory about maybe having food stuck in my teeth. It's extra warmth in the winter. It took me a long time to find a mask that fit well and I could breathe easily in, but, since then, I wear one without even thinking about it.

@Heather @nomdeb

I*m excited for my new black ones so I can pretend I*m a ninja. Really.

@augieray I saw people wearing masks in Asia in the early 80’s. I was told, ‘maybe they have a cold, they don’t want to spread it.’ Another answer was: ‘air pollution is a problem so some people wear masks for protection’

It baffled me from Day One that a lot of ‘Muricans refuse to wear masks to avoid a highly contagious, possibly fatal, disease

@augieray most of society literally drives around in as powered cars, exacerbating bad air quality, cancer rates, benzine poisoning, asthma, etc, all while spewing brake dust that is wiping out fish species (like Salmon), plus causing 200-400k injuries that leave people permanently disabled in some way on top of the 35-45k killed. In addition, they're one of the biggest causes of ecosystem destruction and pushing the world toward climate extinction yet almost nothing is done...

so...

@augieray all that to say, I'm absolutely not surprised we're barely doing a thing in the US about COVID considering we do nothing that has even greater existential threat to our species and would pose very little actual problems if we started moving society AWAY from it...

and even amidst that, electric cars aren't a solution to barely any of the aforementioned existential problems. They're still pushing us over the cliff.

and cars are just one of the massive problems...

@augieray so we get back to COVID, even if we did mask, most people are burned out and it is so low threat in their mind that they're just ignoring it now.
@augieray Humanity as a species seems to be almost incapable of acting in a unified way to improve our chances of existence over the next century (maybe 2 if we're lucky at this rate). Fixing the COVID problem with masking and the minor other fixes seems like a no brainer (i.e. ventilation, etc) that it's painful to ponder how we're failing miserably on the bigger existential threats.
@augieray I'm with you. I mask up around others, esp indoors, and wish more people would do the same. Vaxxed and masked in Hawaii. #COVID is not over.
@augieray So in my workplace, the two people who had Covid during the holidays are the two people who aren’t wearing masks. 🤷‍♂️
@augieray We could be without "forever masking" if we had "Inocust" and "Vaxruary" every year and "Masktober" every now and then. But noooo.

People aren't against "forever masking". They're against doing anything at all.
@augieray We're going to see the bad long-term effects of long COVID on healthcare costs and worker productivity as well. If American healthcare costs are high now, they'll just get higher despite all efforts, and it will be the Republican culture's fault (and mass media) for fanning the flames of "Masks Reduce My Testosterone Oh No." Little cowardly shits.
@augieray
Both the wife and I are over 65 and we adhere to the Series Cheese method. Never had Covid or even a cold since.

@augieray I worry that the question they want to ask with impunity is this one: "Whose lives are we talking about saving here?"

I'm going to keep on masking in my public travels anyway.

@augieray For a great many reasons but mainly ignorance, stupidity and money.

But I'm with you.

@augieray My 3 YO somehow manages. Why can’t other adults?
@augieray
Sure the human cost and economic cost will be mind-bending, but what about the short-term profits of corporations? Who is thinking about them? [/Sarcasm]
@augieray Logically, in a biological/evolutionary sense, that is precisely what will happen...a deadly new variant. If say, that variant literally killed the infected in 24hrs, we are entering zombie apocalypse territory and a massive cull of human life, all brought down upon ourselves by ourselves. One could almost argue that this is Earth's inevitable outcome for a species that fails to protect itself...and add in exponential climate change and further mass culls, we are looking at the "end".